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USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by flaminHotSpeedo »

rgovostes wrote: post #161
flaminHotSpeedo wrote: post #134

Apple updates are a joke. I have a script in my dotfiles to recognize when an apple update overwrites `/etc/zshrc` to run, among other things, a utility that rewrites your path in a nonstandard way (I don't remember the details, I think it was something related to config file load order?) Nothing I've done so far to stop the overwrite in the first place has worked.

Some notes on how Apple sets up paths in /etc/zprofile: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/432226/homebrew-pa... > The solution is to do path initialization in ~/.zprofile on macOS. This file is loaded after /etc/zprofile and before ~/.zshrc.

Thanks! I prefer to set my path in ~/.zshenv so I don't have to worry about anything misbehaving in non-login shells, but this rabbithole led me to a good option to cover both: https://www.zsh.org/mla/users/2003/msg00600.html

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #130
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #125

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Arch breaks extremely infrequently these days. I run it on >10 machines at work and home, some even in internal prod.

How much are you willing to vouch for Arch? Will you give me $10k next time my Arch breaks at update?

I'm not taking any bets on how you setup and maintain your particular Arch. Partial upgrades are unsupported etc. You can definitely shoot yourself in the foot with Arch, but after a while it becomes easy not to.

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by guappa »

prmoustache wrote: post #110
guappa wrote: post #60

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Apple hasn't been paying for CUPS for a number of years now.

Apple is not employing Michael R Sweet anymore, that doesn't mean MacOS is not using cups.

I said "paying", not "using".

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by nebula8804 »

callalex wrote: post #154
nozzlegear wrote: post #146

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Hang on, let's pump our brakes and take a quick peek at the calendar. The comment thread we're in was talking about the Canon D530 which was released in 2012, which supposedly broke in MacOS Monterey released in 2021. It's a stretch to call 9 years "moving fast and breaking things".

What has changed since 2012 in the document printing space that would make that perfectly good machine obsolete? Machines don’t grow on trees, they are created at terrible environmental cost.

Probably security vulnerabilities necessitating a change in the driver model.

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by ArchOversight »

prirun wrote: post #160
Aloisius wrote: post #150

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IIRC, it should create an alias on your Desktop called Relocated Items or something similar to them after the upgrade that pointed at it.

Thanks! I never look at my Desktop and so never noticed it. I deleted the original, moved backup today, and there is nothing on my Desktop about Relocated Items. That could be because I removed it, like an Apple smart link thing, or maybe it was never there - dunno. IMO, if they're going to do something this drastic, they should at least have a one-time large pop-up box after the upgrade explaining that they moved th…

That would be unnecessary for almost every single last macOS user, you are an outlier.

If you go against the grain or the way the OS is built and explicitly disable SIP and do things the OS would normally not allow, you are expected to understand the OS enough to know where things have disappeared to when they disappear.

I don't think Apple should protect the very small minority from themselves.

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Post by contingencies »

freedomben wrote: post #73
contingencies wrote: post #47

For me OSX updates have broken, over the past few years, my USB C ethernet dongle and firmware upload connectivity to specific hardware chipsets. This caused me to buy a non-Apple laptop. Now my Apple laptop refuses to update at all (top of line 4 year old laptop with max spec) so the upgrade driven failures problem category has effectively gone away, but OSX is becoming increasingly unusable. As a result I won't be…

What brand and model of laptop hardware do you buy now? I have been extremely happy with framework laptops, although my big complaint is that the trackpad on my 3rd gen is worse than on my first gen, so they might be trending the wrong direction on track pads. But otherwise, my experience with Fedora on framework hardware has been remarkable

Lenovo. Would have got framework if available at the time.
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