Google has a fair bit of experience with employees stealing trade secrets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Levandowski#Criminal_c...
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#173This doesn't surprise me. I knew someone that intentionally graduated with a specific major, so they could get a job in that industry and send trade secrets/IP back to China. The purpose was to create a competing company. It didn't work out for them that well. They couldn't last more than 6 months at any one company and I think eventually gave up and went back home.
Did that person just go around disclosing their plan?
Having seen something like this happen once, what probably happened was the person OP is referring to was trying to get IP in order to start their own private sector startup, and probably get some seed funding from a regional government (eg. Beijing and Hangzhou did this in the 2000s to jumpstart their tech industry)
It's similar to the Israeli program in the 90s (who's name I'm blanking out on EDIT: Yozma I before it was privatized) because just like China in the 2000s-early 2010s, there wasn't a notable private sector VC industry yet.
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#174I find it funny how Google is presenting this. These statements don't really mesh well.
> “We have strict safeguards to prevent the theft of our confidential commercial information and trade secrets,” Google spokesman Jose Castaneda said in a statement.
> Ding [..] began uploading hundreds of files into a personal Google Cloud account two years ago.
> He resigned from Google last Dec. 26. Three days later, Google officials learned that he had presented as CEO of one of the Chinese companies at an investor conference in Beijing.
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#175This doesn't surprise me. I knew someone that intentionally graduated with a specific major, so they could get a job in that industry and send trade secrets/IP back to China. The purpose was to create a competing company. It didn't work out for them that well. They couldn't last more than 6 months at any one company and I think eventually gave up and went back home.
Hmmm that seems like a clear cut case to report to the FBI. Yeah, assuming that they were walking around telling people about it.
The FBI gets more credible reports than it has the labor to investigate. Not to mention in this example no crime even yet occurred.
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just wondering, what makes you feel safe if trade secrets are stolen by countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel?
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's currently a 11 minute old comment, for what it's worth. HN doesn't have the traffic of something like Reddit, it takes a bit longer to change. But I'm not sure the account is a parody - it's certainly very trolly, but it does seem to be this person's real account based on LinkedIn, her Instagram, her website www.anamostarac.com, and others. Seems like a real person and their real account but according to other i…
> But I'm not sure the account is a parody The content is very clearly parody. Not only this Tweet, but other Tweets. It doesn’t matter if it’s a real person or not, the content is obviously parody. It’s alarming that such obvious satire/parody is not only going undetected, but that people are continuing to debate it after it has been pointed out to be obvious parody content. Does not bode well for the future of onli…
To me, a parody account would have to be a different person than claimed, which I think is incorrect. Satire, yes for sure. I am not arguing that this account is serious in any way.
As far as detecting it, well American politicans at this point are a caricature of themselves and have made it much more difficult. I don't like it either.
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do they bother spying on us if they’re so far ahead then?
Because the other half of contributors aren't Chinese?
But what value are they providing to the Chinese? The original assertion was that American AI is only where it is because of the contributions of Chinese nationals. I.e. they’re leading the way. Why even contribute to our efforts and potentially improve our standing?
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
If he felt that he had to "get out in time," then he knew he did something "wrong" in the sense that my parent is (presumably) asking about. That's the only question I'm answering. You seem intent on drawing me into a debate about subtleties of moral and legal ethics, but I'm sorry to say I'm not interested right now.
And yet you're the one who brought it up
What I'm inferring from this truly bizarre thread is that some people assume that clarifying questions are always fronts for hidden motivations (such as springing "gotchas" or getting into debates). It might be worthwhile to consider that not all people operate that way.
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What is Article 7 of the Chinese Intelligence law? > Article seven says in part that “All organizations and citizens shall support, assist, and cooperate with national intelligence efforts in accordance with law, and shall protect national intelligence work secrets they are aware of. And that's just a nice wording to make it official, russians don't have anything similar yet they keep bribing small and big people a…
They can't "give up their nationality". Chinese government's position is that once Chinese always Chinese, and emmigrating doesn't affect that. They will still come after your family on mainland. Or use their "local police" forces stationed in most western countries to harass you in your new location.
> They can't "give up their nationality"
You can, but it's a fucking pain in the ass, and when Zero COVID kicked in, the Chinese Embassies and Consulates stopped processing anything.