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Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #145
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if, and hear me out, execs could go to jail instead of just their company paying fines as if they're parking tickets? Would they still be as cocky?

> execs could go to jail instead of just their company paying fines as if they're parking tickets? You want to send an executive to jail for cancelling a contract? I’d be curious for a jurisdiction to try this. In my opinion, I wouldn’t want to do business in a place where commercial disputes can be twisted by a political insider into jail time.

Fair enough, no jail time then but how about the personal liability in money. You fuck up, it's your own money you gotta pay with, not the company's bottomless war-chest.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

izacus wrote: post #167
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> execs could go to jail instead of just their company paying fines as if they're parking tickets? You want to send an executive to jail for cancelling a contract? I’d be curious for a jurisdiction to try this. In my opinion, I wouldn’t want to do business in a place where commercial disputes can be twisted by a political insider into jail time.

Do you also not drive a car in a place where your driving can be twisted into jail time when you hurt people? Why does the concept of personal responsibility for decisions insult you so deeply?

> Do you also not drive a car in a place where your driving can be twisted into jail time when you hurt people?

If you believe figurative and actual violence are identical, this analogy makes sense.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by izacus »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #132
minimaxir wrote: post #124

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> At that point, Epic credibly threatened breach of contract. A threat of a breach of contract is not a breach of contract, which will be a sticking point if the EU gets involved again.

> threat of a breach of contract is not a breach of contract I don’t know EU law. But anticipatory breach is enough to trigger damages under American law, and “is an excuse for non-performance by the non-breaching party” [1]. [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/anticipatory_breach

There's nothing about some random contracts I can see in DMA. DMA however does say that the gatekeeper (Apple) isn't allow to block or retaliate against competitors. Or users for that matter.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

abduhl wrote: post #146
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if, and hear me out, execs could go to jail instead of just their company paying fines as if they're parking tickets? Would they still be as cocky?

The question you should be asking is: would execs still exist? And we know the answer to this from before the advent of corporations: yes, just as tycoons and barons with barely any checks on their political and financial power instead of as execs.

> with barely any checks on their political and financial power

I fail to see the difference?

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by heresaPizza »

WWLink wrote: post #51
nixgeek wrote: post #27

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I doubt your supermarket chain has done things which rise to Phil Schiller responding to Epic with — > We welcome all developers to the Developer Program so long as they follow the rules. Those rules, including the DPLA and the App Store Review Guidelines, are intended to protect the integrity of the ecosystem, developers large and small, and - most importantly-users. Accordingly, developers who are unable or unwilli…

The sooner this "ecosystem" crap dies, the better. The sooner not needing Apple dev tools or an Apple developer account to make software for an Apple device, the better. The sooner I can use my Apple Watch with an Android phone, the better. The sooner Apple stops (basically) requiring me to use icloud instead of literally any other better, cheaper, higher performance cloud service for my photos, videos, settings, and…

They went from making premium products to buggy objects filled with ads

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by lapcat »

ergonaught wrote: post #102
hellcow wrote: post #83

Clearly the recent 1.8B Euro fine the EU levied against Apple didn't send a message. Perhaps the EU needs to ratchet it up by an order of magnitude.

More likely, Apple needs to withdraw entirely from the EU and see what happens.

Apple's last quarter results: $30 billion in net sales from Europe, their second largest market behind the Americas. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/fy2024-q1/FY24_Q1_Consol...

The idea of leaving Europe is nonsense. Apple is a publicly owned corporation, and Tim Cook would be immediately dismissed for such financial recklessness.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by binarymax »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #117
ergonaught wrote: post #102

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More likely, Apple needs to withdraw entirely from the EU and see what happens.

What will happen if they exit the EU? They will loose more revenue and tank their stock and Tim Apple will get the boot ad EU users will move to Samsungs, Pixels and Nokias and life will go on. You're acting like the EU is some poor country in the outback and not their second biggest market after the US. Or better yet, we fork Android and have a non-Google EU-only appstore similar to Huawei's Andorid fork OS and apps…

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Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #171
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> execs could go to jail instead of just their company paying fines as if they're parking tickets? You want to send an executive to jail for cancelling a contract? I’d be curious for a jurisdiction to try this. In my opinion, I wouldn’t want to do business in a place where commercial disputes can be twisted by a political insider into jail time.

Fair enough, no jail time then but how about the personal liability in money. You fuck up, it's your own money you gotta pay with, not the company's bottomless war-chest.

> it's your own money you gotta pay with, not the company's

I agree with this, and it could be constructed out of shareholder rights. Perhaps it could only be applied past a certain threshold of compensation, say, 100x the median wage. ($4.6mm [1].)

I’d argue the threshold should be final, unappealable regulatory penalty or criminal conviction of the corporation.

[1] https://usafacts.org/data/topics/economy/jobs-and-income/job...

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by izacus »

ergonaught wrote: post #102
hellcow wrote: post #83

Clearly the recent 1.8B Euro fine the EU levied against Apple didn't send a message. Perhaps the EU needs to ratchet it up by an order of magnitude.

More likely, Apple needs to withdraw entirely from the EU and see what happens.

Hahaha, have you seen the firing frenzy the US execs were expected to execute for a SLIGHT DIP in revenue and a few % in cost of a loan? :D

And you expect those same share holders to just support leaving of a massive market? Cook would be taken through NYSE by his nether regions by just thinking that. This whole idea is nonsense.

And even if, by any bizarre chance (it's 2020s after all) it happens, we'll suffer with... *checks list*... Samsung Galaxy Phones? Lenovo, Samsung and ASUS laptops? Sony headphones? Huh. What horrible existence. I'm sure that would be an end of the Union. Imagine using a great Samsung foldable instead of an iPhone.

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