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EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

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Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

#171

Post by boffinAudio »

mopsi wrote: post #170
jnsaff2 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Beginning with the reign of Ivan the Terrible in the sixteenth century, Russia managed to expand at an average rate of 50 square miles per day for hundreds of years, eventually covering one-sixth of the earth’s landmass. Maybe, just maybe, consider whether any of this expansion has not been active war and murder? You are doing victim blaming by putting any fault on Ukraine for trying to protect themselves from inva…

> Ukraine invited NATO-aligned actors to set up bases along its borders with Russia. That has been considered by the Russians to be an aggressive act warranting a hostile response. The bases in Ukraine intended for training Ukrainian intelligence staff by US specialists were established two years AFTER Russian invasion, and did not lead to any hostile responses beyond the usual death and destruction that Russia has b…

The illegal bases which were being funded, built and used for biowarfare development by the CIA, specifically targeting Russian genotypes, were built and operational for years before Russia invaded.

The 2014 Maidan coup? Another CIA operation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-...

This, from a country that gave itself carte-blanche to ruin any sovereign state its ruling classes deemed culturally inferior, kicking off World War 3 with the illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003 and subsequent murder of 5% of its population.

So, sure. The USA's activities in Ukraine for the past 15 years have been utterly benign ..

Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

#172

Post by mopsi »

boffinAudio wrote: post #171
mopsi wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ukraine invited NATO-aligned actors to set up bases along its borders with Russia. That has been considered by the Russians to be an aggressive act warranting a hostile response. The bases in Ukraine intended for training Ukrainian intelligence staff by US specialists were established two years AFTER Russian invasion, and did not lead to any hostile responses beyond the usual death and destruction that Russia has b…

The illegal bases which were being funded, built and used for biowarfare development by the CIA, specifically targeting Russian genotypes, were built and operational for years before Russia invaded. The 2014 Maidan coup? Another CIA operation. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-... This, from a country that gave itself carte-blanche to ruin any sovereign state its ruling classes deemed cultur…

> The illegal bases which were being funded, built and used for biowarfare development by the CIA, specifically targeting Russian genotypes, were built and operational for years before Russia invaded.

The article you linked makes no mention of such things.

There was no coup in Ukraine either. Ukrainian parliament unanimously voted to remove Ukrainian president from office after he gave an order to shoot at peaceful protesters, resulting in over 100 deaths, and fled the country fearing criminal prosecution. All members from his own party voted in favor of that too.

Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

#173

Post by boffinAudio »

mopsi wrote: post #172
boffinAudio wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The illegal bases which were being funded, built and used for biowarfare development by the CIA, specifically targeting Russian genotypes, were built and operational for years before Russia invaded. The 2014 Maidan coup? Another CIA operation. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-... This, from a country that gave itself carte-blanche to ruin any sovereign state its ruling classes deemed cultur…

> The illegal bases which were being funded, built and used for biowarfare development by the CIA, specifically targeting Russian genotypes, were built and operational for years before Russia invaded. The article you linked makes no mention of such things. There was no coup in Ukraine either. Ukrainian parliament unanimously voted to remove Ukrainian president from office after he gave an order to shoot at peaceful p…

Simply put, every statement you've made is false.

From where do you derive your propaganda - the same media organizations, owned by the bomb manufacturers currently reaping immense profit from Ukraines' dire situation, maybe .. ?

Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

#174

Post by jnsaff2 »

boffinAudio wrote: post #173
mopsi wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The illegal bases which were being funded, built and used for biowarfare development by the CIA, specifically targeting Russian genotypes, were built and operational for years before Russia invaded. The article you linked makes no mention of such things. There was no coup in Ukraine either. Ukrainian parliament unanimously voted to remove Ukrainian president from office after he gave an order to shoot at peaceful p…

Simply put, every statement you've made is false. From where do you derive your propaganda - the same media organizations, owned by the bomb manufacturers currently reaping immense profit from Ukraines' dire situation, maybe .. ?

Is it the bomb manufacturers that put Ukraine into a dire situation or the ones actually bombing Ukraine?

Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

#175

Post by mopsi »

boffinAudio wrote: post #173
mopsi wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The illegal bases which were being funded, built and used for biowarfare development by the CIA, specifically targeting Russian genotypes, were built and operational for years before Russia invaded. The article you linked makes no mention of such things. There was no coup in Ukraine either. Ukrainian parliament unanimously voted to remove Ukrainian president from office after he gave an order to shoot at peaceful p…

Simply put, every statement you've made is false. From where do you derive your propaganda - the same media organizations, owned by the bomb manufacturers currently reaping immense profit from Ukraines' dire situation, maybe .. ?

> Simply put, every statement you've made is false.

No. These are well-known facts, public record. On 22nd February 2014, the Ukrainian parliament voted 328-0 in favor of removing Yanukovych from office after what he had done. Even his own party released a statement condemning him. Elections for the new president were held in May of the same year. Which part of this is "CIA coup"? Is it a "CIA coup" every time a parliament holds a vote of no confidence to remove someone from a public office? If that's the case, then many countries in Europe have a "CIA coup" every few years as failed politicians are voted out of office, usually because of corruption or incompetence.

> From where do you derive your propaganda - the same media organizations, owned by the bomb manufacturers currently reaping immense profit from Ukraines' dire situation, maybe .. ?

No. I can't think of a single media outlet in my country connected to "bomb manufacturers" in any way. One media group is centered around an old newspaper publisher, another group is centered around a medical supplier that has branched into media and retail business, and the third major one is public broadcasting. So you have to somehow connect a dog food retailer to the war if you want to pursue the profiteering angle.

Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

#176

Post by boffinAudio »

mopsi wrote: post #175
boffinAudio wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simply put, every statement you've made is false. From where do you derive your propaganda - the same media organizations, owned by the bomb manufacturers currently reaping immense profit from Ukraines' dire situation, maybe .. ?

> Simply put, every statement you've made is false. No. These are well-known facts, public record. On 22nd February 2014, the Ukrainian parliament voted 328-0 in favor of removing Yanukovych from office after what he had done. Even his own party released a statement condemning him. Elections for the new president were held in May of the same year. Which part of this is "CIA coup"? Is it a "CIA coup" every time a parl…

The CIA have been conducting clandestine operations in Ukraine from the beginning of the colour revolutions until present day. If your view of Ukraine begins on February 22, 2014, you're missing a huge chunk of the picture - either disingenuously, or through dire ignorance.

>many countries in Europe have a "CIA coup"

Yes, they do indeed, because the CIA views Europe as an enemy to the superiority of the American people, and performing these kinds of coups is entirely within its purposes as a counter-democratic, sovereignty-invalidating agency.

> Is it a "CIA coup" every time a parliament holds a vote of no confidence to remove someone from a public office?

Quite often, yes it is. The CIA conduct operations forcing the political change they want to see - and this definitely occurred in the case of Ukraine. See also, the Whitlam government in Australia, where they refined the technique.

Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

#177

Post by boffinAudio »

jnsaff2 wrote: post #174
boffinAudio wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simply put, every statement you've made is false. From where do you derive your propaganda - the same media organizations, owned by the bomb manufacturers currently reaping immense profit from Ukraines' dire situation, maybe .. ?

Is it the bomb manufacturers that put Ukraine into a dire situation or the ones actually bombing Ukraine?

Follow the money. The only ones reaping any reward from the utter destruction of Ukraine and its people, are Western arms manufacturers, whose profits have skyrocketed since the CIA opened up the market for their weapons sales and deliveries ..

Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

#178

Post by mopsi »

boffinAudio wrote: post #176
mopsi wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Simply put, every statement you've made is false. No. These are well-known facts, public record. On 22nd February 2014, the Ukrainian parliament voted 328-0 in favor of removing Yanukovych from office after what he had done. Even his own party released a statement condemning him. Elections for the new president were held in May of the same year. Which part of this is "CIA coup"? Is it a "CIA coup" every time a parl…

The CIA have been conducting clandestine operations in Ukraine from the beginning of the colour revolutions until present day. If your view of Ukraine begins on February 22, 2014, you're missing a huge chunk of the picture - either disingenuously, or through dire ignorance. >many countries in Europe have a "CIA coup" Yes, they do indeed, because the CIA views Europe as an enemy to the superiority of the American peop…

> The CIA have been conducting clandestine operations in Ukraine from the beginning of the colour revolutions until present day. If your view of Ukraine begins on February 22, 2014, you're missing a huge chunk of the picture - either disingenuously, or through dire ignorance.

Indeed - speaking of clandestine operations, here's how Ukrainian president (2005-2010) Viktor Yushchenko looked before and after Russians poisoned him: https://i.imgur.com/H3R7yF8.jpeg

The poisoning happened two months before 2004 presidential elections. Russians poisoned the prime challenger to their puppet, and boosted their puppet further with widespread election fraud that was later overturned by Ukrainian supreme court.

This is how an actual coup attempt looks like.

> Yes, they do indeed, because the CIA views Europe as an enemy to the superiority of the American people, and performing these kinds of coups is entirely within its purposes as a counter-democratic, sovereignty-invalidating agency.

CIA is not the prime mover in the world and the only reason why anything ever happens. For example, last week the Estonia minister of justice resigned because he had used his personal allowance against established rules by renting an apartment from his wife's adult son from another marriage. While he was aware that he couldn't rent an apartment from a relative (anti-corruption rule), he didn't know that the son would qualify as a relative too under these rules. He fucked up and resigned. This had nothing to do with the CIA, nor do many other things going on in the world. To claim otherwise is to be ignorant of the complexities of the world.

When it comes to Eastern Europe, the CIA is not even in the top three most influential intelligence organizations.

Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

#179

Post by jnsaff2 »

boffinAudio wrote: post #177
jnsaff2 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it the bomb manufacturers that put Ukraine into a dire situation or the ones actually bombing Ukraine?

Follow the money. The only ones reaping any reward from the utter destruction of Ukraine and its people, are Western arms manufacturers, whose profits have skyrocketed since the CIA opened up the market for their weapons sales and deliveries ..

Answer the original question.

Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

#180

Post by boffinAudio »

mopsi wrote: post #178
boffinAudio wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CIA have been conducting clandestine operations in Ukraine from the beginning of the colour revolutions until present day. If your view of Ukraine begins on February 22, 2014, you're missing a huge chunk of the picture - either disingenuously, or through dire ignorance. >many countries in Europe have a "CIA coup" Yes, they do indeed, because the CIA views Europe as an enemy to the superiority of the American peop…

> The CIA have been conducting clandestine operations in Ukraine from the beginning of the colour revolutions until present day. If your view of Ukraine begins on February 22, 2014, you're missing a huge chunk of the picture - either disingenuously, or through dire ignorance. Indeed - speaking of clandestine operations, here's how Ukrainian president (2005-2010) Viktor Yushchenko looked before and after Russians pois…

>This is how an actual coup attempt looks like.

There is no "one true way to coup" - what you are describing is the propaganda you have consumed that makes you believe your nation could never do something so heinous as poison its opponents, imprison them indefinitely without charge, etc - when in fact, it DOES do that - in spades - and you are really just projecting. What you are describing is how Hollywood protrays coups, lol.

Anyway.. Your straw man arguments are interesting, but this:

>When it comes to Eastern Europe, the CIA is not even in the top three most influential intelligence organizations.

Is curious. Its not through lack of trying!

Its just that there is MUCH resistance to American imperialism in that region. Thankfully!

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