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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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The rules of war are completely out the door when one side routinely pretends to be civilian, which is a war crime. Which is not to say it’s just to go committing whichever crimes you want, but discussing legal rights is largely pointless because it is immediately a lawless war.

And it should also then be pointed out that under international law an occupier must treat those of their occupied state to a higher degree of care.

This actually varies on the control of the situation. If it’s an active battleground due to ongoing hostilities this does not apply and it is considered invaded rather than occupied with different standards.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Well maybe people believe that Genocide = Bad and the rest is just logic

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Why not, if “losing that war” means being slaughtered and starved indiscriminately and pushed out of your homeland?

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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The sheer amount of times that Israel's [1] lies [2] have been exposed [3] again and again [4], in the current conflict and from before, leads to the only conclusion that IOF's claims that benefit their narrative must be assumed false until proven true by independent investigation. Their own investigations frequently prove their own initial claims are false.

Moreover, "murky definition of a journalist" is a weasel word if I've ever seen one. It matters not if someone is a seasoned journalist (many of which have been killed as well) or new. In some cases, these new journalists are the only ones revealing the horror of the genocide Israel is conducting inside of Gaza right now.

The scale of war crimes and targeting of noncombatants by Israel in this genocide is unprecedented.

[1] https://theintercept.com/2024/02/07/gaza-israel-netanyahu-pr... [2] https://hebhjamal.substack.com/p/a-list-of-israeli-lies-prop... [3] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-27/ty-article-op... [4] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/information-missteps-led-...

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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> 10% would be considered an extremely high death rate for soldiers involved in the fighting. Even 2.5% for healthcare workers is ridiculously high. Hamas based their operations where conventional rules of war prohibit fire. That makes comparing casualty rates incredibly difficult. (To my knowledge, nobody else has done this so comprehensively. Though given its success, I expect it to be emulated. Which unfortunately…

>Though given its success, I expect it to be emulated. I'm wondering by what metric do you define success.

I mean, they have managed to hurt israel's position on the world stage & economy quite significantly relative to their actual military power.

Hardly seems worth it to me, but i guess you could argue that is success of a sort.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Israel has ordered hospitals to evacuate, e.g.: https://healthpolicy-watch.news/who-calls-for-israel-to-resc... I think you're generally wrong on the "they have not been doing" comment. Israel has been giving warnings, and those warnings were intentionally being ignored to maximize the damage to Israel's reputation. But if you have some comprehensive data here I'd be interested in seeing it. From my observation the p…

I didn't say that Israel has never ordered an evacuation. I pushed back on the commenter who stated that finding a militant in a hospital or school makes it a valid target. > From my observation Well from Human Rights Watches observation: > Human Rights Watch has not been able to corroborate them, nor seen any information that would justify attacks on Gaza hospitals. When a journalist at a news conference showing vid…

"Rule 28. Medical units exclusively assigned to medical purposes must be respected and protected in all circumstances. They lose their protection if they are being used, outside their humanitarian function, to commit acts harmful to the enemy."

We've seen some evidence that hospitals are used outside their humanitarian function.

It's true that even if the hospital loses it's protection that does not mean that it's ok to just go ahead and level it because of the presence of a single combatant (and that hasn't happened, I'm pretty sure e.g. no hospital in Gaza suffered a direct bombing attack e.g. but it may be ok under certain circumstances to completely level a hospital that is used for military purposes if enough warning has been given), the proportionality principles still applies. Proportionate has a very specific meaning in terms of the Geneva convention which most people aren't familiar with. I agree that the IDFs actions must be proportionate in that sense. The IDF claims its actions are. The IDF has lawyers that evaluate actions against international law.

Human Rights Watch isn't necessarily an unbiased observer here. Naturally they would not have access to the IDF's intelligence and the IDF can be justified in not sharing its intelligence to protect its sources.

My basic take is why is it beneficial for the IDF to waste time and resources attacking hospitals that have no military use? It's bad PR, it's wasted efforts that could be directed somewhere else. Doesn't make sense. It's possible it could be "more careful" in avoiding those in certain situations. Is it the highest item in the priority list (e.g. above the security of IDF soldiers), probably not.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Journalists aren't typified as soldiers in any conflict by any civilized society or international law. They are civils, and the deliberate serial assasination of civils is an war crime. Period. No amount of critical thinking or creative word twisting can change this.

Bombing civil homes, refugee camps and hospitals are also war crimes

Killing children by famine by deliberately blocking the access to food is just a new level of rotten. We had seen the same pallid walking skeletons in the recent past of Europe. Everybody promised to learn and not to repeat this

But... here we go again, walking the same path, learning from the same manuals, and basically expressing that maybe the historical crimes that packs of seriously insane people commit, weren't so bad after all. No sane Jewish with a minimum sense of pride should accept to be linked with that people, or identified as a sprout of the poisoned tree.

So what the hell were they thinking?

From an European point of view to see Israel commit or tolerate this crimes for months is not only concerning, but also extremely disappointing.

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