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Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

#171

This is nice, but I'm confused about one thing: how can instance owners ensure illegal content such as CSAM doesn't get cached on their servers if defederation is not a thing?

My understanding is that a PDS instance only hosts data for it's users.

Caching can happen at Relays or AppViews and those will presumably need to do something to avoid caching CSAM.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

#172

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Fair enough. Personally, I like to watch both sides, and it has been interesting to see conservatives becoming more favorable toward Twitter/X. If I were working on a social network (like Bluesky, the topic of this discussion), I would be watching Twitter/X closely right now to try to understand the effects that certain tweaks (such as moderation policy) may have.

To be honest, I think Twitter (and other similar sites) are a huge negative for society no matter who dominates the echo chamber. Training everyone to dump 140-char hot takes as a dominant form of "discourse" has been a genuine evil for the world. Twitter delenda est.

280 since 2017.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

#174

This I applaud as the tech in me. It will quickly become a mess in the real world. People will run pods on cheapest VPS and they will get hacked, run out of money, get bored, go broke etc. Imagine as fractions of content goes missing for a while or is just deleted. One guy runs a small pod with some people, kills it, 60.000 messages gone. How does that impact interconnected discussions? If I own my own data. (good),…

> Imagine as fractions of content goes missing for a while or is just deleted.

It may have changed since I have been user there but, I consider content on sites like Facebook or Twitter, that is not really recent, to be lost anyway. Because searching or browsing older content was hard.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

#175

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Blacklists feel more like reinforcing the echo chamber than moderation.

Then you are free to not subscribe to any of them, and see every post. It is under your control.

A lot of the popular users subscribe to the blocklists uncritically. It breaks the UX of the site if you get placed on one.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

#176
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And a lot of them failed for their technical shortcomings and many others from social aspects. IRC failed in technical side due to the failure in committee development model around IRCv3, Reddit succeeded by sole social factor despite being a carbon copy of Digg. To me, Bluesky vs Mastodon, and also Twitter vs Mastodon situations seems closer to the latter, even with controversial waitlist and the big turmoil, respec…

>used for 30+ years = failed I don't understand why so many technical people equate monopoly with success. I use IRC every day.

I hate Electronification, WebNonsensification, Discordification, ... as much as the next guy, but median user age incrementing every year for past 10+ years -> fail to me.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

#177
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No video in 2024 is a total deal breaker for most users. That's insane.

Video is also prohibitively expensive outside of Google-scale endeavors and will likely crush both third-party BGSes and PDSes. Everyone doing video is either selling you ads (whether it's in that video or around it), selling you the video itself, or is losing money. Possibly all three. As it is, og-embeds do work for video and audio from a few different providers.

That gives me a great idea: If you self-host your PDS you can have video but moochers don't get it.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

#178
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I switched to Bluesky but then moved back to twitter. I'm glad that they are trying to compete with Twitter (Twitter is a conservative cesspool), but all of my non-technical friends have stayed on Twitter. So, I end up going where they are. I think the reason my friends did not join Bluesky despite me inviting them is that it just isn't as good of a product as Twitter. You can't post videos or DM. I am not a tech exe…

No video in 2024 is a total deal breaker for most users. That's insane.

Feature requests opened since 2023-07-24:

GIF support: https://github.com/bluesky-social/social-app/issues/1047

Audio/video support: https://github.com/bluesky-social/social-app/issues/1052

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

#179
post #175

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Then you are free to not subscribe to any of them, and see every post. It is under your control.

A lot of the popular users subscribe to the blocklists uncritically. It breaks the UX of the site if you get placed on one.

As the plaform matures so will the blocklist ecosystem. Hopefully blocklists with good appeal mechanisms will win mindshare.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

#180
post #175

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Then you are free to not subscribe to any of them, and see every post. It is under your control.

A lot of the popular users subscribe to the blocklists uncritically. It breaks the UX of the site if you get placed on one.

Users are not entitled to the dissemination of their opinions. Either you let users block other users or you will turn your site into a cesspit.
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