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As soon as you have then playing an anachronistic sport you should expect other anachronistic imagery to creep in, to be fair.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golf > The modern game of golf originated in 15th century Scotland.

Oh fair enough then.

Re: AI behavior guardrails should be public

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Gotta love such a high quality fix. When your upper high tech, state of the art algorithm learns racist patterns just blocklist the word and move on. Don't worry about why it learned such patterns in the first place.

Humans do look like gorillas. We're related. It's natural that an imperfect program that deals with images will will mistake the two. Humans, unfortunately, are offended if you imply they look like gorillas. What's a good fix? Human sensitivity is arbitrary, so the fix is going to tend to be arbitrary too.

You do understand that this has nothing to humans in general right? This isn't AI recognizing some evolutionary pattern and drawing comparisons to humans and primates -- it's racist content that specifically targets black people that is present in the training data.

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I've never been involved with implementing large-scale moderation or content controls, but it seems pretty standard that underlying automated rules aren't generally public, and I've always assumed this is because there's a kind of necessary "security through obscurity" aspect to them. E.g., publish a word blocklist and people can easily find how to express problematic things using words that aren't on the list. Thing…

There is no need to implement large scale censorship and moderation in this case. Where is the security concern? That I can generate images of white people in various situations for my five minutes of entertainment?

The whole premise of your argument doesn't make sense. I'm talking to a computer, nobody gets hurt.

It's like censoring what I write in my notes app vs. what I write on someone's Facebook wall. In one case, I expect no moderation, whereas in the other case, I get that there needs to be some checks.

Re: AI behavior guardrails should be public

#176

I've never been involved with implementing large-scale moderation or content controls, but it seems pretty standard that underlying automated rules aren't generally public, and I've always assumed this is because there's a kind of necessary "security through obscurity" aspect to them. E.g., publish a word blocklist and people can easily find how to express problematic things using words that aren't on the list. Thing…

Yeah, there's absolutely no need for transparency /s

https://youtu.be/THZM4D1Lndg?si=0QQuLlH7JebSa6w3&t=485

If it doesn't start 8 minutes in, go to the 8 minute mark. Then again I can see why some wouldn't want transparency.

Re: AI behavior guardrails should be public

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It does the same if you ask for pictures of past popes, 1945 German soldiers, etc.

It'll also add extra fingers to human hands. Presumably that's not because of DEI guardrails about polydactyly, right? The current state of the art in AI gets things wrong regularly .

The AI will literally scold you for asking it to make white characters, and insists that you need to be inclusive and that it is being intentionally dishonest to force the issue.

Re: AI behavior guardrails should be public

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post #172

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Humans do look like gorillas. We're related. It's natural that an imperfect program that deals with images will will mistake the two. Humans, unfortunately, are offended if you imply they look like gorillas. What's a good fix? Human sensitivity is arbitrary, so the fix is going to tend to be arbitrary too.

You do understand that this has nothing to humans in general right? This isn't AI recognizing some evolutionary pattern and drawing comparisons to humans and primates -- it's racist content that specifically targets black people that is present in the training data.

Nope. This is due to a past controversy about image search: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/22/technology/ai-photo-label...

Re: AI behavior guardrails should be public

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Haven't heard much talk of Carmack's AGI play Keen Technologies lately. The website is still an empty placeholder. Other than some news two years ago of them raising $20 million(which is kind of a laughable amount in this space) I can't seem to find much of anything.

Re: AI behavior guardrails should be public

#180

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Is there any evidence that this is a consequence of DEI rather than a deeper technical issue?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GG1eyKjXQAA1FxU?format=jpg&name=... https://cdn.sanity.io/images/cjtc1tnd/production/912b6b5aacc... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GG1ThfsWUAAp-SO?format=jpg&name=... https://cdn.sanity.io/images/cjtc1tnd/production/e2810c02ff6... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GG1MnepXwAAkPL6?format=jpg&name=... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GG0BLVsbMAARZXr?format=jpg&name=...

I don't understand how people could even argue that this is in any way acceptable. Fighting "bias" has become some boogyman and anything "non-white" is now beyond reproach. Shocking.
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