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Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by dwighttk »

devnullbrain wrote: post #169
dwighttk wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thankfully it is only a bad law in the European Union.

And it's a good law elsewhere? :) You're also welcome not to buy a phone for your parents. It would be disingenuous for me to suggest you actually do so, because we all make choices under duress or with limited options.

If this bad law were to cross the Atlantic I would still buy my parents their phones and deal with the situation.

I’m glad I don’t have to while it remains outside the US. And I’m glad I don’t have to deal with it on my own phone, even if I’m better equipped to deal with it. And I’m glad people are still free to change to different browser engines inside the US without the law.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by blantonl »

Hizonner wrote: post #160
blantonl wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The simple reality is this: if you are refusing to follow the established processes and procedures of an ecosystem that you've voluntarily decided to be a part of, for some technical reason you've conjured up or gotten yourself in, for which seems to otherwise work fine for billions of people, then you are a particular edge case Now, with your final word, don't say something online you wouldn't in a professional sett…

The "established procedures" of the worldwide, multi-company, multi-country "ecosystem" in which Apple is embedded are that everything, or at least everything administrative, can be done first and foremost from a Web page. Once you get that basic functionality in place, you can start screwing around with apps or whatever. Your platform is an "edge case" , and, yes, Apple, this means you. As for professionalism, you a…

you appear to be under the unfortunate misapprehension that anybody gets paid to engage in bull sessions on here.

Fortunately, I'm not mistaken in the fact that this world is small, and the grandparent poster is living in it. I've had the distinct honor to witness many a person sitting across from me have the unfortunate distinction of being known by me in circumstances that were less than fortunate for them. And at the end of the day that can really affect how someone "gets paid."

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by Keyframe »

mobilemidget wrote: post #57
Keyframe wrote: post #43

I have an ipad through which I subscribed for Apple arcade. I don't use it / play at all on it and there was recently an email that price is going up. Sure, I'll just cancel subscription I said. I don't have my ipad on me, nor any other apple device (I don't use them anymore), nor windows. I have linux machines and android phone. Ok, so how do I cancel subscription? icloud login? no. subscription place of sorts? it w…

So when you sign up for Apple Arcade, which strangely you dont use? Why sign up for it? But then it's okay that you need to have your iPad to signup, but when you want to cancel it is strange that you need your iPad. I understand it would be nice if you can login to a website and cancel, but reads as if you make your mistake of not taken your iPad, or cancelling in time a fault of others.

Actually, I signed up for it when my daughter and I wanted to play some puzzle games on my iPad. Turns out A TON of games we browsed through / tried out via AppStore on it are pure scam / and really shady-looking. I thought maybe if I just click official Apple subscription and played games they went through all that sewer can be avoided. We played maybe once or twice and I kind of forgot about it; We played fruit ninja anyways. Insisting on having an iPad or any other apple device again to unsubscribe is absurd. What if iPad was my only apple device (which it was/is) and it fell down the black hole? I'm then supposed to pay until end of universe or call Tim Apple across ocean and ask for favors? It's unacceptable, no matter which company it is. ESPECIALLY since they do have web interface you can log into and do stuff regarding billing (see iCloud).

tl;dr; I paid to get away from scam, turns out I fell into one.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by metanonsense »

worksonmine wrote: post #78
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #48

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Apple always assume that you use their devices as primaries. It can be very annoying. When I wanted to get my wife a replacement MB, I ended up checking out as a guest as they insisted on sending my 2FA code to my iPad (which mostly just annoyed my toddler).

> Apple always assume that you use their devices as primaries Assumes or tries very hard to make the alternative as difficult as possible? From a company that prides itself in improving and simplifying UX the dark patterns aren't mistakes.

I think with organizations of this size it‘s usually just stupidity, lack of focus, or bad product management. Apple UX is sometimes really bad and buggy and the question „cui bono“ often has the simple answer: no one. It‘s just a bug that happened somewhere in the dev cycle or some immature idiosyncrasy that was rushed into the product because someone just liked the idea.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by worksonmine »

blantonl wrote: post #172
Hizonner wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "established procedures" of the worldwide, multi-company, multi-country "ecosystem" in which Apple is embedded are that everything, or at least everything administrative, can be done first and foremost from a Web page. Once you get that basic functionality in place, you can start screwing around with apps or whatever. Your platform is an "edge case" , and, yes, Apple, this means you. As for professionalism, you a…

you appear to be under the unfortunate misapprehension that anybody gets paid to engage in bull sessions on here. Fortunately, I'm not mistaken in the fact that this world is small, and the grandparent poster is living in it. I've had the distinct honor to witness many a person sitting across from me have the unfortunate distinction of being known by me in circumstances that were less than fortunate for them. And at…

You sound like a terrible colleague, on a very high horse, with very little self-awareness. You enter this thread with a straw-man, and when called out start threatening with cancel culture bullshit. What are you even trying to prove here and to who?

You're a parody of an Apple user. I guess that's what decades of being patronized and gaslit by a company does to someone.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by Keyframe »

blantonl wrote: post #87
alias_neo wrote: post #66

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> but when you want to cancel it is strange that you need your iPad Come on, of course that's ridiculous. Of course a reasonable person would expect to be able to cancel a subscription without needing the device it was created on when they used an account that you can log into from basically anywhere. If I bought an iPad and subscribed to something, and then accidentality dropped it off a cliff, or out of a plane, or…

This entire thread is ridiculous. Just pickup the phone and cancel your subscription. Yes, I get that you can't spin up a virtual machine of OS/2 and and use Netscape navigator to cancel your subscription because you dropped your iPad off the balcony of your cruise ship. OK, call them up and cancel. I'll hate on apple all day, but damn if this thread isn't pedantic as hell. Jeeze. oh my toddler is annoyed about a 2FA…

Sure, who do I call? I'm not in USA and there's an 0800 number listed deep in some faq. My carrier won't connect me to the number. There's no local Apple in Croatia where I'm at. I will get to my ipad soon and cancel it, but it's absurd to say the least since you can log into icloud and there are billing options for it, so why not other things?

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by blantonl »

worksonmine wrote: post #175
blantonl wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you appear to be under the unfortunate misapprehension that anybody gets paid to engage in bull sessions on here. Fortunately, I'm not mistaken in the fact that this world is small, and the grandparent poster is living in it. I've had the distinct honor to witness many a person sitting across from me have the unfortunate distinction of being known by me in circumstances that were less than fortunate for them. And at…

You sound like a terrible colleague, on a very high horse, with very little self-awareness. You enter this thread with a straw-man, and when called out start threatening with cancel culture bullshit. What are you even trying to prove here and to who? You're a parody of an Apple user. I guess that's what decades of being patronized and gaslit by a company does to someone.

cancel culture bullshit.

You're a parody of an Apple user. I guess that's what decades of being patronized and gaslit by a company does to someone.

How on earth did you draw these two conclusions? I'm simply asking people to not call me an "ass" and a "dickface" in a professional setting and all the sudden I'm some cheerleading Apple user who was gaslit and patronized by a company?

Some of you are some angry misguided people. You should really look inward to how you interact with your fellow peers. This is frankly, disgusting.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by blantonl »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #156
blantonl wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The simple reality is this: if you are refusing to follow the established processes and procedures of an ecosystem that you've voluntarily decided to be a part of, for some technical reason you've conjured up or gotten yourself in, for which seems to otherwise work fine for billions of people, then you are a particular edge case Now, with your final word, don't say something online you wouldn't in a professional sett…

What, like, "Wow, really doubling down on the dickface eh?" Would that be a representative example?

you should delete this Brian. This is embarrassing for you.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by worksonmine »

blantonl wrote: post #177
worksonmine wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You sound like a terrible colleague, on a very high horse, with very little self-awareness. You enter this thread with a straw-man, and when called out start threatening with cancel culture bullshit. What are you even trying to prove here and to who? You're a parody of an Apple user. I guess that's what decades of being patronized and gaslit by a company does to someone.

cancel culture bullshit. You're a parody of an Apple user. I guess that's what decades of being patronized and gaslit by a company does to someone. How on earth did you draw these two conclusions? I'm simply asking people to not call me an "ass" and a "dickface" in a professional setting and all the sudden I'm some cheerleading Apple user who was gaslit and patronized by a company? Some of you are some angry misguide…

First of all, this is not a professional setting, it's a comment section to an article.

Second, you reduce someones completely valid need of being able to cancel a subscription to a condescending straw-man:

> supporting your 0.001% edge case of you wanting to run iMovie on your Sun Workstation running Solaris

Since you see this place as a professional setting, is that how you handle colleagues? With unnecessary and patronizing sarcasm? Anyway, when you get called out for it you double down with "careful, we might meet each other professionally":

> I've had the distinct honor to witness many a person sitting across from me have the unfortunate distinction of being known by me in circumstances that were less than fortunate for them. And at the end of the day that can really affect how someone "gets paid."

Ridiculous. Don't take yourself or this place too seriously. Nobody is angry, we just don't have patience for your bullshit. Where do I apply if I want the opportunity to tell you to go fuck yourself to your face?

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by robenkleene »

devnullbrain wrote: post #168
robenkleene wrote: post #159

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I don't think that's some big secret, but also irrelevant to the point I'm making. I said Apple believes that they're security model on the iPhone is important to it's popularity. Apple making a bunch of money on the App Store does not contribute to the iPhone's popularity, therefore it's not relevant to my original statement. What you are really trying to say is that Apple doesn't actually believe the security model…

Not only do I think it's relevant, I think it's the whole point. The security argument is the outcome of finding the most useful, contentious point that would support them continuing to make the gobs of money. It's the same way 'think of the children' is used for arguing in favour of various types of censorship - everyone in the know is aware it's not the real reason but we live in a society where calling someone out…

The growth potential comes from future devices that are facilitated by this security model. E.g., you can't have Adobe Creative Cloud's updater process, Zoom, Dropbox, etc... all running their background processes on a resource constrained device like say, AR glasses. This is why Apple is betting the farm in this security model despite its ongoing issues. Apple's future of computing is easily, verifiably, incompatible with a Mac-like security model. This isn't up for debate.

If your argument is a more open model than Apple currently has for the iPhone that might be good argument. But I was replying specifically to the authors comparison to the Mac. My point is that Apple believes having a Mac-like security model for the iPhone would make it less successful, as evidence by there aggressive push to make Mac security more iPhone-like, without enforcing iPhone-style revenue sharing (e.g., you can buy and download software from anywhere without giving Apple a cent).

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