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Post by rezonant »

deskamess wrote: post #53
rezonant wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

R2 is an insane value proposition. We calculated the cost of moving HLS video delivery to it and unless you are delivering a huge amount of traffic, the costs are far lower. Highly recommend you consider it, assuming you are willing/able to handle appropriate transcoding yourself (if not, Cloudflare has it's Stream product)

What is 'appropriate transcoding'?

Video transcoding: Taking the raw uploaded video and re-encoding it so it is appropriate for being sent to video players over the web.

Typically this takes the form of creating "renditions" of the source video at lower resolutions, but you'll have to decode and re-encode the video to do that, hence transcoding.

Pretty much all video you watch online is delivered using an adaptive bitrate technology like HLS or DASH. That's what allows the video to automatically reduce its resolution if your network can't handle streaming the video without buffering.

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Post by pinkgolem »

hatsix wrote: post #160
PreInternet01 wrote: post #7

The cost of egress traffic is a very good reason for many organizations to not fully migrate to a cloud provider anytime soon. And since, unlike with storage costs, there doesn't seem to be an actual reason (other than: it makes migrating to competitors cost-prohibitive in a subset of cases), that seems kind of... weird? Small example: an actual company I do some work for is in the business of delivering creative ass…

Our 20tb/m costs us $414... if you're saying that you can amortize those servers, rent the space and pay for upkeep for less than $4k a month? We have another service that has 20x the bandwidth, but it's a legacy GAE that has super cheap premium egress... But I'm told that AWS says that their pre-pay discount will be competitive in about a year, the rate that we're growing. The negotiated egress prices are much lower…

>If they're not worried about you jumping ship (you use a lot of their aws-native services), you can get a great deal.

Aka as long as you are not using the cloud as cloud the cloud can be cheap?

>rent the space and pay for upkeep for less than $4k a month?

I mean, you can just rent servers somewhere else.. or do a colocation rack. Also I would strongly suggest going with the first one

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Post by hughesjj »

phonon wrote: post #128
echelon wrote: post #101

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Amazing: Cloudflare -- Free for most services OVH Cloud -- Free and unlimited Scaleway -- Free for most services Great: Hetzner 20-60 TB / mo per instance $1.08 Not bad: Linode 1-20 TB / mo per instance $5.00 Oracle Cloud 10 TB / mo $8.50 A bit much: Backblaze 3x the amount of data stored $10.00 Bunny CDN -- $10.00 DigitalOcean 100 GB - 10 TB / mo per instance $10.00 UpCloud 500 GB - 24 TB / mo per instance $10.77 Vu…

AWS Lightsail is actually pretty good, comparable to Linode (except it maxes out at 7 TB/month). https://aws.amazon.com/lightsail/pricing/

It's also in the SLA to not use lightsail as a proxy

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Post by hrrsn »

Aeolun wrote: post #124
_cenw wrote: post #16

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Hetzner has seen two known cases of people being evicted for bandwidth use, and they were saturating the link 24/7 for several months by syncing an endless amount of footage to archive.

Do you have a source for this? Would like to read about that.

https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/180504/hetzner-traffic-use...

HN thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32242987

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Post by kyledrake »

ehPReth wrote: post #165
echelon wrote: post #101

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Amazing: Cloudflare -- Free for most services OVH Cloud -- Free and unlimited Scaleway -- Free for most services Great: Hetzner 20-60 TB / mo per instance $1.08 Not bad: Linode 1-20 TB / mo per instance $5.00 Oracle Cloud 10 TB / mo $8.50 A bit much: Backblaze 3x the amount of data stored $10.00 Bunny CDN -- $10.00 DigitalOcean 100 GB - 10 TB / mo per instance $10.00 UpCloud 500 GB - 24 TB / mo per instance $10.77 Vu…

there's no way it actually costs them that much right?

Not even close. I think a 1gbps ip transit hookup at a data center goes for $200-400 a month right now. And you can push 192TB a month with that. That's not the bulk cost, they buy larger amounts in volume and probably get a huge discount on it. In fact given their size, they might not pay for it at all (peering agreements), so it's just operating costs.

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Post by jiggawatts »

sgarland wrote: post #88
zokier wrote: post #76

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AWS charges for internal traffic too, both cross-az and cross-region.

The inter-AZ charges kill me. They’re charging you for traffic over what is almost certainly private fiber, of a distance no more than 50 miles or so. Just absurd. Then, they have the audacity to recommend you make everything Multi-AZ. “Don’t worry, RDS-RDS traffic isn’t billed!” Yes, but the apps running in us-east-1a that are hitting -1b and -1c due to load balancers most assuredly do bill for traffic.

What’s extra special is that the cloud providers are now disincentivised from making those load balancers zone topology aware. If they made them efficiently pick the same zone whenever possible, they would be missing out on cross-AZ traffic billing, which is basically a money printer.

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Post by supriyo-biswas »

echelon wrote: post #101
nyc_data_geek wrote: post #84

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It's pretty simple. Excessive egress costs = vendor lock in, and yes, forcing third party services into the same cloud (the walled garden), and limiting customer choice. Just another reason so many orgs are getting heartburn from going too deep too fast into the cloud.

Amazing: Cloudflare -- Free for most services OVH Cloud -- Free and unlimited Scaleway -- Free for most services Great: Hetzner 20-60 TB / mo per instance $1.08 Not bad: Linode 1-20 TB / mo per instance $5.00 Oracle Cloud 10 TB / mo $8.50 A bit much: Backblaze 3x the amount of data stored $10.00 Bunny CDN -- $10.00 DigitalOcean 100 GB - 10 TB / mo per instance $10.00 UpCloud 500 GB - 24 TB / mo per instance $10.77 Vu…

In the case of fly.io it’s a little different because they have a anycast network with traffic being accepted at the closest region and being proxied to your running VM. This is not unlike a CDN, and if you look at the North America/Europe pricing of most CDNs, fly.io is quite similar.

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Post by pests »

billywhizz wrote: post #159
pests wrote: post #148

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This is similar, with different tradeoffs, to what Riot did for their gaming backbone. They wrote a blog about this but I cant't find it. Instead of relying on consumer ISP's to route gaming packets for speed, they would instead route them for costs. Taking extra hops and extra latency before reaching the target server. Riot built an overlay network using their own fiber and negotiated BGP deals with consumer ISP's t…

this might be it? https://qz.com/790208/how-the-company-behind-league-of-legen... also, linked from that: https://technology.riotgames.com/news/fixing-internet-real-t...

Thanks. I think those cover details of what I'm talking about but not the blog post I remember.

A key issue discussed was some setting relating to BGP (or similar) that consumer ISPs wouldn't initially implement or wouldnt configure for Riot. Something related to weights or something that affected the cost analysis for routing decisions that prevented packets from wanting to take the Riot path.

edit:

Just fully read that QZ article. I think it does a good job of describing what they did with useful inforgraphics (esp the "Actual Data Route" graphic) for a layman audience. I think many of us here can extrapolate what kind of effort they had to go through to get that done.

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Post by nixgeek »

kyledrake wrote: post #176
ehPReth wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there's no way it actually costs them that much right?

Not even close. I think a 1gbps ip transit hookup at a data center goes for $200-400 a month right now. And you can push 192TB a month with that. That's not the bulk cost, they buy larger amounts in volume and probably get a huge discount on it. In fact given their size, they might not pay for it at all (peering agreements), so it's just operating costs.

A good chunk of network capital is also amortized into these costs, it isn't just the 20 cents per megabit for IP settlement, it would also be all the routers those ports are connected to, the racks those sit in, the electricity those consume, and the networks beneath that from the hypervisor upwards.

Add on the usual and egregious $150-400/mo for a SMF/OS1 crossconnect in many datacenters.

Now, I'll grant you, "not even close" and handsome margins likely still applies but "I'm going to hook a server directly into a 1Gbps IP transit port for $200" vs. all the complexity of a hyperscaler network is not apples to apples.

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