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Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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What kind of projects? I've been looking at moving that direction but most of the fun SDR work is classified stuff and the commercial world seems pretty happy with ancient superhet architectures for the most part.

Position, navigation, and time from “signals of opportunity” (I.e., existing radio signals that aren’t GPS)

A-PNT type stuff? Can I ask what the commercial application is?

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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> such as the Flipper Zero, which would allow for the removal of those devices from the Canadian

Tell me how you have no idea about technology without telling me how.. Flipper is pretty much useless against cars keyless system, in fact, just look at any video of the how thieves do it, they never used flipper but far more sophisticated devices (except the kia switch USB trick). That ban is most likely because some boomer at ISED saw some tiktok and thought it should be banned or got mad after having their Tesla plug door opened remotely, meanwhile, you can import all types of sophisticated full-duplex SDR with all types of antennas that are far more powerful and dangerous than that toy.

I worked with ISED before, overall nice folks but technicalities not much.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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So if I'm reading this right, they're banning something that is too underpowered to run the exploits people are using to steal cars (which are only possible in the first place because car companies' threat model is mostly about their customers rather than thieves) in order to pretend to do something about car theft I've been pretty happy on balance with measures introduced through direct democracy in recent years (mo…

> in order to pretend to do something about ... That basically summaries the Canadian government's history, and how we end up in multiple crisis and negative gdp per capita situation now.

How do you get negative gdp per capita? That must mean negative gdp unless you have less than 0 population. Do you mean negative growth? Then what does per capita have to do with it?

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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The Flipper Zero is a general-purpose tool and STEM educational device. By banning the device, a country would be setting back their workforce of engineers and scientists a bit. How can you use a Flipper Zero to steal a car? Flipper Zero can't crack hard encryption. Is the real problem that cars were made with security that they already knew was negligently weak at the time? If so, is a recall of those cars more appr…

> How can you use a Flipper Zero to steal a car? Flipper Zero can't crack hard encryption.

It’s impossible, you can’t even use it against garage doors rolling keys without accessing the garage unit and program it like a new remote. The ban has nothing to do with car theft.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Position, navigation, and time from “signals of opportunity” (I.e., existing radio signals that aren’t GPS)

A-PNT type stuff? Can I ask what the commercial application is?

PNT in GPS-denied areas, and office campus wide time sync.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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The Flipper Zero is a general-purpose tool and STEM educational device. By banning the device, a country would be setting back their workforce of engineers and scientists a bit. How can you use a Flipper Zero to steal a car? Flipper Zero can't crack hard encryption. Is the real problem that cars were made with security that they already knew was negligently weak at the time? If so, is a recall of those cars more appr…

This is great. I rewrote it in my own words and sent it to my local Canadian MP, as well as Dominic LeBlanc who is the Minister of Public Safety. Here's my template: I am a Canadian citizen in your riding (A1B 2C3) and multiple business owner in the technology sector. As an expert in the field of electronics and information security, I am concerned about the ISED’s initiative to ban Flipper Zero and similar devices,…

Perfect, thanks! Will send one myself tomorrow too.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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The Flipper Zero is a general-purpose tool and STEM educational device. By banning the device, a country would be setting back their workforce of engineers and scientists a bit. How can you use a Flipper Zero to steal a car? Flipper Zero can't crack hard encryption. Is the real problem that cars were made with security that they already knew was negligently weak at the time? If so, is a recall of those cars more appr…

Nah fuck this. Someone on the plane I was on kept triggering it to do bluetooth attacks ('not your airpods') while I was trying to read (and have my earphones on connected via bluetooth so fuck me right?). There's hacked firmware's you can install [0]. I understand that there are probably tons of other devices like this out there but this one was SO fucking popular and easily accessible. I've already seen this thing…

Maybe you should blame Apple instead for not fixing it properly for over a year now despite they released a “fix”?

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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There is no legal right to gun ownership in Australia.

Complete utter nonsense - I'm an Australian gun owner, all legal. My neighbour here in the Australian wheatbelt enjoys ULR shooting at 5,000 yards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7owwTz7Z0OE Perhaps you might like to do some actual fact checking before being utterly wrong in public? W.Aus Firearms Act 1973 (current): https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legislation/statutes.nsf/l... W.Aus Firearms Regulations 1974 (cur…

I think his point was that Australia does not specifically enumerate a right to bear arms. That makes it much easier for politicians and judges to erode liberties in the name of safety or "think of the children". Eg. Australia, Canada, and New Zealand have done mass firearm bans or confiscations in recent years, while the US has largely resisted similar efforts to restrict civil liberties.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Relevant part: > Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada (ISED) Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada will work with Canadian companies, and the automotive industry, to develop new solutions to protect vehicles against theft and to assist with recovery of stolen vehicles. > ISED will pursue all avenues to ban devices used to steal vehicles by copying the wireless signals for remote keyless e…

> What would be okay is to ban the use of an F0 to steal a car. Ban carrying them. If it's truly an educational tool you don't need to carry it around with you. Same as (in the UK) carrying a set of lockpicks is grounds to be arrested for 'going equipped' unless you're a locksmith.

> Ban carrying them. If it's truly an educational tool you don't need to carry it around with you.

The whole purpose of this device is to carry it and the portability aspect, else I will use my other powerful SDR.. I have many fobs that I would like to keep em all in one device than carrying the hardware for each, plus backing it up. UK, a country that still requires licenses for a TV isn’t a good example in your case.

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