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Re: Mozilla's new Firefox Linux package for Ubuntu and Debian derivatives

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I remember that it required me to restart whenever I opened a new tab, or I wouldn't be able to use that tab. Anything in already opened tabs still worked. That might have been the case. I almost invariably open every link in a new tab, so for my use case it would have felt the same as nothing working.

Tree Style Tab user?

You'd think so, but no.

Re: Mozilla's new Firefox Linux package for Ubuntu and Debian derivatives

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post #55

Is there really a point these days in having the very last release rather than the ESR version packaged by Debian? If so what are the benefits for end users?

In case of security fixes, you will stay unpatched for a bit less time. ESR is intended for places that really don't like any form of change like rigid enterprises and banks and such. End users should probably steer clear of that unless they have a good reason not to; which they generally don't. Except for a false sense of security. I personally don't see a good reason to opt out of security changes for any longer th…

I used the ESR version for a while because it was still deb packaged rather than a snap pack and the snap firewalling blocked a plugin I used that had to talk to another program. Unfortunately the ESR version has also moved to snap. So I am glad to here Mozilla team is moving to make a native deb package available.

Re: Mozilla's new Firefox Linux package for Ubuntu and Debian derivatives

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post #66

> Getting the latest version with features and security fixes is key to having a good experience whenever you use Firefox. Now, our new APT repository is directly connected to the Firefox release process, so you will receive the latest updates whenever we make them available. Tip: you will still need to restart Firefox for the latest version. In the past when I've installed Firefox through a .deb, it has had this ann…

I'm pretty sure that forced restart is from the snap package, and you don't have that without snap.

The snap package actually doesn't have this issue at all, it just waits for you to close the browser to switch to new version but you can keep using it for however long you want without Firefox complaining like it does if a package manager messes with some files while it is open.

Re: Mozilla's new Firefox Linux package for Ubuntu and Debian derivatives

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post #131

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As someone who is quite new to Ubuntu, and recently just ran an install. I've seen this "snap" word thrown around and for better or worse I consider the opinion of random HN users to be better than the average opinion elsewhere on the internet. What do you dislike so much about snap? Also any tips on how one goes about purging it from their machine if they too also decide they don't like it?

Snaps are self contained packages of software. They are mounted as a separate isolated file system when they start. The good: Snap packages run on almost any Linux distribution, so they're an easier target. Distribution specific packaging can be tedious, and often involves a distro having to maintain packages themselves by repackaging the "upstream" package or software. With software that updates frequently, snaps th…

Regarding the startup time, it has been massively improved since the initial Firefox snap release. It'll always have non-zero overhead for the reasons you mentioned, but it's already fast enough that it no longer bothers me.

Re: Mozilla's new Firefox Linux package for Ubuntu and Debian derivatives

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post #129

Does FF still not use KDE’s native file picker without installing a (not readily available) package to modify it? I stopped trying to use FF on Linux a long time ago, but seeing a headline with Linux in it made me perk up.

This bothers me too, very much. GTK and especially Firefox UI is so awkward and out-of-place in KDE (and in general, IMO). I even tried switching to Falkon.

Re: Mozilla's new Firefox Linux package for Ubuntu and Debian derivatives

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post #21

Is there more technical information than this article provides? Did Firefox not have a .deb package until now? It's been a few years since I used Ubuntu, but I find that really surprising. I'm not sure what this new package is or how it differs.

* In the ancient past, when dinosaurs roamed the earth, Ubuntu distributed Firefox as a .deb * Recently (well, in the last 2-4 years) to boost the uptake of Canonical's "snap" packaging system, Ubuntu switched to only distributing Firefox as a snap. * There are a lot of snap haters around. Not least because canonical fucked up the update mechanism in the first year or two, had a bunch of performance problems (now mos…

It's not just a matter of love or hate. Firefox starts for THREE MINUTES on 22.04 as opposed to a few seconds on 20.04

Ed: actually, yes, that makes me hate SNAPs

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