Self-driving as a case study for AGI

Post by fodkodrasz » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 7:19 PM UTC

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The thing is that economy does not make sense without people. Economy is a way to allocate human work and resources, and provide incentives for humans to collaborate, factoring in the available resource limits. Now if AGI make people's work redundant, and makes economy grow 100-10000x times... what does that measure mean at all? Can produce lots of stuff not needed or affordable by anybody? So we just hand out welfar…

This isn’t complicated. Economic growth means cheaper access to things people want. Imagine a list of things many people wish to happen in physical reality. We’ll have more of that. -Better healthcare -Curing most things that destroy quality of life -Curing aging and age-related death -Much better treatment for all sources of mental suffering -Far better and cheaper and reversible body modification -More free time to…

Post by seanmcdirmid » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 7:56 PM UTC

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You can already experience self driving cars by taking an Uber or a taxi, or being chauffeured if you are richer. None of that is new, the self driving aspect just promises to make those experiences perhaps more accessible (or at the very least, not less accessible than they are now). For example, I took a taxi to and from work every day when I lived in Beijing, which came to about 100 kuai/day for a 20-30 minute dri…

Yeah which I think the only remaining good application of self-driving car ( taxi ) doesn't bring that much convenient, since taxi here is already somewhat reasonably priced. I can't speak for the the US experience. Also the article touches briefly on drivers going into jobless. A lot of drivers where i'm from seems to be retiring middle-old age working in taxi. I think it's a good job fit for them and I don't know h…

Post by enslavedrobot » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 8:41 PM UTC

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Actually if you read the blog he addresses Waymo and Tesla's strategy. He says the barriers to Tesla scaling are software and Waymo needs to scale hardware. He then implies that software will win the scaling race

Tesla "its just another software update away" pumps are the most delusional. Tesla cameras aren't even class leading in the automative industry, let alone at the cars price point. They are worse than the iPhone you handed down to your tween 5 years ago. What makes anyone think that their quality and placement will ever be adequate even with new CPUs and better software?

Post by fodkodrasz » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 9:02 PM UTC

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Ageing is not an illness.

Involuntary ageing is the very worst tragedy of human life. Funny that this kind of ideological conflict will likely be a key fulcrum of the machine intelligence revolution. We will have a very loud minority that attempts to forcefully prevent all other humans from having the voluntary choice to avoid suffering. Are you in it?

Post by 1oooqooq » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 9:42 PM UTC

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you have no idea how much they drive. they avoid talking about it on every interview. Ars explicitly called then out on this and they called saying this is their main profit sucking issue right now "having one overseer per car". to me that means they are, for all practical purposes, driving. no matter how much they try to spin it.

No, they have talked about it in interviews. They've repeatedly said they don't have remote drivers. They have "remote assistance" that the car can call to ask questions if it's confused. You can tell when this is happening in the car, because it plays a message like "our team is working to get you moving". It's rare, maybe once every few rides. There is no way there's one overseer per car.