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Austin takes a bet on tiny homes to ease homelessness

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Re: Austin takes a bet on tiny homes to ease homelessness

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> Realistically, most people would prefer to live in a less dense area, but they can't do that because there are no jobs for them there. Do you have evidence? I have the evidence of millions of people and the demand for downtowns. Otherwise, you possibly are assuming that people must feel like you do.

Plenty of surveys indicate that: https://time.com/3678811/millennials-suburbs-cities-survey/ https://app.hedgeye.com/insights/110394-americans-prefer-the... And so on. People really don't like cities.

perhaps fucking americans hate fucking american cities?

Re: Austin takes a bet on tiny homes to ease homelessness

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Plenty of surveys indicate that: https://time.com/3678811/millennials-suburbs-cities-survey/ https://app.hedgeye.com/insights/110394-americans-prefer-the... And so on. People really don't like cities.

perhaps fucking americans hate fucking american cities?

Nope. People in general prefer to avoid large and dense cities ( https://afry.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/new-survey-shows... ).

It's just that only the US offers an affordable option to live in spacious suburbs. Europe simply doesn't have anything similar.

Re: Austin takes a bet on tiny homes to ease homelessness

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Well if you build them elsewhere you're not going to do much about the unhoused population downtown. That just leads to using police violence to forcibly segregate by class.... Anyway, housing is kind of fucked so long as americans consider it a private investment rather than a common good. How do you think we got in this mess to begin with?

> Well if you build them elsewhere you're not going to do much about the unhoused population downtown. Newsflash: neither would tiny houses. On the West Coast, the downtown homeless population is almost 100% drug addicts these days. No amount of housing can fix that. And for the sane population (i.e. not fentanyl addicts), being AWAY from downtowns is a blessing. > Anyway, housing is kind of fucked so long as america…

> We stopped building highways, and switched from Moses' model of building enough roads to the "urbanist" model. Where we put in transit that makes it easy to go to the downtown ONLY.

I don't think we've switched out of the Moses model yet, or we only did in the last twenty years or so—the urbanist model is still idealistic in most cities. And frankly the urbanist model probably still won't be sufficient without public housing—I'm guessing a popular push for that is still about 10-20 years out.

Obviously, prioritizing driving around a city isn't going to do jack-shit for anyone who isn't trying to prioritize driving around a city. Public transit works well enough for most folks!

Re: Austin takes a bet on tiny homes to ease homelessness

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> Well if you build them elsewhere you're not going to do much about the unhoused population downtown. Newsflash: neither would tiny houses. On the West Coast, the downtown homeless population is almost 100% drug addicts these days. No amount of housing can fix that. And for the sane population (i.e. not fentanyl addicts), being AWAY from downtowns is a blessing. > Anyway, housing is kind of fucked so long as america…

> We stopped building highways, and switched from Moses' model of building enough roads to the "urbanist" model. Where we put in transit that makes it easy to go to the downtown ONLY. I don't think we've switched out of the Moses model yet, or we only did in the last twenty years or so—the urbanist model is still idealistic in most cities. And frankly the urbanist model probably still won't be sufficient without publ…

> I don't think we've switched out of the Moses model yet, or we only did in the last twenty years or so

We did. Most large cities stopped building new roads, and are instead sabotaging existing ones ("road diets").

The inflection point was some time in 1990-s. October 1992 is the date of the completion of the last Interstate freeway.

> And frankly the urbanist model probably still won't be sufficient without public housing—I'm guessing a popular push for that is still about 10-20 years out.

The thing is, we don't have a housing crisis. We have around 20% more units per capita than in 1980-s, and way more square footage per capita. What we have is an over-centralization crisis.

No amount of band-aid fixes will make it better. By forcing (via economic forces) more people into misery centrals (now with housing projects to generate generational poverty!), you'll only make centralization even worse.

> Public transit works well enough for most folks!

It really doesn't. Transit is a result of city growth, you simply _have_ to build transit once the city becomes dense enough.

And I get it, in the 1970-s and 1980-s people were still worried about overpopulation. So, urbanism was born as a way to make it more bearable to live in dense cities. Now we have an opposite problem, the native US population is peaking right now and whatever growth we're going to have will be only from immigration. We don't _need_ dense cities.

Re: Austin takes a bet on tiny homes to ease homelessness

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perhaps fucking americans hate fucking american cities?

Nope. People in general prefer to avoid large and dense cities ( https://afry.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/new-survey-shows... ). It's just that only the US offers an affordable option to live in spacious suburbs. Europe simply doesn't have anything similar.

sure, jan. (and may i recommend reading the links that you post before you post them? it's bloody useful.)

Re: Austin takes a bet on tiny homes to ease homelessness

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I’m on the opposite end of the spectrum as communist but let’s be honest, the well run communist regimes got all their people housed, and quickly. The real answer is not tiny homes, it’s prefabricated apartment blocks that can be put up cheaply (in master planned super blocks where people can walk to stores and work).

It's hard to imagine a socialist solution working in the context of the United States of America, though. The more viable solution in this context is allowing the free market to build abundant housing.

How is the free market supposed to create an abundance of housing?

You need some sort of scarcity to increase profits. Building plenty of affordable housing works against that.

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