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The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by nicbou »

larodi wrote: post #102

Wondering whether 10-12 years from now the internet becomes a hostile, corpo-inhibited medium, while the personal LLMs are what we take knowledge from. In reality some (of us) already do so, the only thing is that we don't really know what the LLMs were fed to begin with, but is assumed to be a reality-based information. Your personal Search Engine is your personal model which you evolve to your needs. Safely includi…

Who will create the information then? They won't have traffic, an audience or even any recognition. Who would want to do that?

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by novemp »

causal wrote: post #110
nunez wrote: post #100

This is an old problem that LLM-generated content only accelerated. LMGTFY died when Google tripled down on growing their ad revenue and adtech dominance and SEO ran rampant throughout search results. It is fairly difficult to get non-biased factual information from a naked query these days, which is why I try to search for info on Reddit first. This isn't a panacea either given that it's been chock-ful of astroturfe…

Finally switched to Kagi when I realized Google could not find a particular ThreeJS class doc page for me no matter what keywords I used, I had to paste the very URL of the page for it to appear at the top of my search results. Kagi got it first try using the class name. Paid search is the way, ad incentives are at odds with search. Made Kagi my address bar default search and it's been great.

Too bad Kagi is also investing in LLMs.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by htrp »

larodi wrote: post #108
nunez wrote: post #100

This is an old problem that LLM-generated content only accelerated. LMGTFY died when Google tripled down on growing their ad revenue and adtech dominance and SEO ran rampant throughout search results. It is fairly difficult to get non-biased factual information from a naked query these days, which is why I try to search for info on Reddit first. This isn't a panacea either given that it's been chock-ful of astroturfe…

one thing to always remember, which may also easily repulse you from ever using google search again - it does not give search results. it generates a carefully crafted page which caters to your bubble. so does FB, so does Twitter, etc. just using different algos. Google search does not return the same results for the same query for different people, which a) makes it so different from AltaVista and historical search…

Well I feel like that would be ok if 1) they told you this 2) it actually gave you those relevant results

It does make troubleshooting officially impossible, can't tell people its the 3rd link on this specific query in google.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by samtho »

soared wrote: post #72
TrackerFF wrote: post #65

Makes me wonder how the advertisement industry is going to cope with the ever-growing influx of non-human users. What happens when the conversion rates plummet to zero? Maybe I'm cynic, but a completely walled-off / paid internet doesn't seem too unrealistic. You'll have to pay a subscription to every website you want to visit. On one side you have the open internet wasteland, filled to the brim with AI bots / genera…

AI solves that problem - it’s pretty easy to look at behavioral data and identify low v high quality users. Optimize towards what the AI thinks is users likely to convert and the problem Is solved.

This is the principle behind GAN aka Generative Adversarial Networks. By pitting a generating model against a detection model, you can iterate your content until it is indistinguishable from human generated content.

It’s my prediction that a ChatGPG supercharged with a GAN is going to be the most valuable iteration of text generation technology. Granted, it will still likely be off a little but it’s going to get harder and harder to tell the difference.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by 7thaccount »

WJW wrote: post #117
7thaccount wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I remember the Internet in the mid to late 90s. I just don't remember how anything worked technologically in the 80s.

The web was invented in 1989, so mostly it didn't. Before that there were BBSes that you could dial into. From there, you could chat with other users who happened to be logged onto the same server or download text documents and whatnot that others had uploaded.

Ah. Yeah it's those BBS's I've heard of that sound kind of cool. I'm sure they mostly sucked, but the idea sounds cool.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by blackhaz »

sssilver wrote: post #163

Tongue in cheek: is public key cryptography the solution to verifying content authorship on the internet? Should all major OSes establish and bundle proof of authenticity for every phrase and image created in them using an input device attached to them?

That's an interesting idea. Until AIs will get access to keyboard drivers to type their dogshit.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by htrp »

mingus88 wrote: post #158
BizarreByte wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mods will ban them and new users will be forced to verify via voice/video chat/livestream.

We already have AI generated audio and video. This is a stopgap at best. Maybe the mods will have to trick the AI by asking it to threaten them or any other kind of “ethical” trap but that will just mean the AI owners abandon ethical controls

Voight-Kampff test

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by volkk »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #146
cauliflower99 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting idea. Could there be a market for pre-AI era content? Or maybe it would be a combination of pre-AI content plus some extra barriers to entry for newer content that would increase the likelihood the content was generated by real people?

> Could there be a market for pre-AI era content? Like the market for pre-1940s iron resting at the bottom of seas and oceans, unsullied by atmospheric nuclear bomb testing.

the problem is that data tends to become less useful/relevant over time as opposed to iron that is still iron and fulfills the same purpose

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by blackhaz »

renegat0x0 wrote: post #161

I think most people misunderstand that the search engines are not content. Internet was always full of spam. Google was able to work around that. Since for some years Internet became dead because Google is not able to keep up. Internet was dogshit. Now it is just AI dogshit. Google was quite good, but now it is not. In a few years we will not use Google search, we will ask chatbots for answers. There will be no "link…

That's it. Google is loosing the ground here. It is no longer "the gateway to the Internet." There has always been dog shit, it's just there will now be much more dog shit than ever. Indexing dog shit is not working anymore. There is still Internet out there with useful information, it's just you cannot access it by searching. Are we back to the era of curated sources, encyclopedias and web rings?

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by tobiasSoftware »

mihaaly wrote: post #148

> The once ubiquitous phrase “let me Google that for you” is now meaningless. You are as likely to return incorrect information as you are complete fabrications To me this came when I realised that SEO this and SEO that SEO here and SEO there was as innate as googling for answers. And is still incomprehensible to me how people can argue with serious face for actively and forcefully distorting the search results that…

My favorite example is if I search Google for "tide me over vs tie me over" it comes up with "Tie me over is correct". Not only is this wrong, but if you click the link, the source itself says it is wrong! The source is literally on the importance of fact checking, and Google is pulling a quote that the article uses as an example of an incorrect fact.

Google: WARNING: It is a common misconception that the phrase “tie me over” is actually pronounced “tide me over.” Some even go so far as to say the “tide” refers to the ebb and flow of hunger, but this is not the case. Rest assured “tie me over” is correct.

Actual source: https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/feature/Tie-me-over-vs-tid...

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