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Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by diggan »

pb7 wrote: post #161
diggan wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Flying an airline that doesn’t operate a specific model is the most (and almost only) reliable way to avoid one. Even that could make you end up on a 737 Max, if the airline you have your ticket via actually "outsourced" (simplified and not the right word) the actual flight to another airline, which happens sometimes.

Multiply all these probabilities together and you have a better chance at winning a billion dollars in a lottery you didn't buy a ticket for.

Yes, if I was a perfectly reasonable and logical robot, I'd agree with you.

But I'm a 30+ year old human, with plenty of experiences that "should never have happened" and "that was once in a million odds" that I won't risk it.

I'd love it if I could turn off the lizard parts of my body, but I cannot. I try my best, but when it comes to life/death, I just trust my gut over anything else.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by eastbound »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #90
gruez wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>those use actual flight plan data, so will take into account any last minute aircraft changes. But at that point it's too late. I doubt people are that afraid of 737 Max that they'll cancel a flight (and forfeit their ticket) over it.

> doubt people are that afraid of 737 Max that they'll cancel a flight (and forfeit their ticket) over it Nobody rational will. But there are plenty of people with an understandable fear of flying who will create a customer-service kerfuffle over it. On the margin that might not do anything. But in aggregate it could affect how the airlines negotiate settlements from Boeing.

No. It’s just that people want to vote with their feet, and inflict damage to Boeing for abhorrent behavior.

I mean not even every army general in every country has killed as many as Boeing.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by SteveNuts »

zamadatix wrote: post #109
Sirizarry wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What isn’t significant about Boeing consistently failing in the construction and quality of the 737 MAX? How does comparing it to driving to the airport prove anything? Scratch that, it proves nothing. What are you getting at?

It's possible for quality of the 737 MAX to be significantly below the typical bar for aviation standards while still being significantly above the bar of things people should be personally concerned about. Demand aviation standards stay high if you value it, by all means, but don't become part of a hysteria around worrying if your plane is a 737 MAX purely on the basis it made the news instead of thinking about how…

After the Lion Air and Ethiopia Arlines crashed, the FAA calculated that on average, the Max fleet would suffer a fatal incident once every 2 years and that was based on the existing number of craft.

That's such an unbelievably ridiculous number to ignore. People saying this is insignificant are really putting their blinders on and I don't know why.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by MattGaiser »

caycep wrote: post #165

So - question - how much initial capital/expertise would be needed to make a new ground-up competitor to McDD-oeing, but with the engineering/quality focus of the old Boeing? I'd imagine there must be enough disgruntled aerospace engineers to create a fresh company w/ a blank slate rethink of airliner design.

It would be enormous. Getting airlines to buy from even medium-sized aerospace companies is a challenge. Bombardier couldn't sell its CSeries over fears that it would not be around for the multi-decade lifespan of the plane. Same plane under Airbus is a hot commodity.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by codegeek »

gruez wrote: post #41
United857 wrote: post #28

For the most reliable info, you can look up your flight number in Flightaware or Flightradar 24 -- those use actual flight plan data, so will take into account any last minute aircraft changes.

>those use actual flight plan data, so will take into account any last minute aircraft changes. But at that point it's too late. I doubt people are that afraid of 737 Max that they'll cancel a flight (and forfeit their ticket) over it.

I am usually a very practical person but looking at the catastrophic failures specifically of 737 MAX and not one but many in short period, it is way too many for a plane. Yes planes crash but the probability is extremely low in general except for 737 MAX. Officially it is now on my no fly list. I will not board a plane if it is 737 MAX. And yes, I will suffer the consequences of that.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by simion314 »

kube-system wrote: post #77

A lot of people don't realize that the fuselage of this plane isn't even made by Boeing, it's made by Spirit AeroSystems which also makes components for Airbus. We don't really know who to blame here until the investigation concludes.

From what I heard is that Boeing does the final assembly , they get that door out and put it back in, then at the end pressurize the interior to 1.5X the normal pressure and test the plane. Since this also was a new plane I do not see how Boeing can find a different scapegoat.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by stouset »

omikun wrote: post #146
jmward01 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a big statement. Since 2019 there have been 32 fatalities connected to commercial aircraft. Most of those were iv very small aircraft like seaplanes and helicopters. 32 deaths in 4 years compared to ~40k/year in cars. We need to keep things in perspective.

To keep things in perspective we should compare fatalities per person trips or person miles. Total deaths doesn't mean as much when a lot more people travel by car.

We do, and there has been one death due to an incident on a major U.S. airline since November 2001.

You can maybe argue two, where a woman was killed after exiting an Asiana plane after it crashed at SFO. She was hit by an emergency vehicle responding to the scene.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by j-a-a-p »

kube-system wrote: post #77

A lot of people don't realize that the fuselage of this plane isn't even made by Boeing, it's made by Spirit AeroSystems which also makes components for Airbus. We don't really know who to blame here until the investigation concludes.

> it's made by Spirit AeroSystems which also makes components for Airbus

So, how then is Boeing rewarded with this website and Airbus not if they are using the same supplier?

Next step will be a plugin that filters these 737max from Kayak.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by michaelsshaw »

xahrepap wrote: post #34
alpb wrote: post #26

Are you less safe on a 737 MAX than driving to the airport in a car? Genuinely curious, I’m trying to understand if this whole saga is statistically significant.

I've heard a lot of people say this in these comment threads, and I think this glosses over the actual issue: safety is getting worse, not better or even staying the same. So it's MORE statistically significant than it was. The trend is heading the wrong way. Air safety going down is a trend you want to stop ASAP. Not wait around until it's just as dangerous as something else like driving your car.

If any other mode of transportation were nearly as dangerous as roadways in the US, it would be made illegal. The fact is that the 737 MAX has, by its own flaws, killed hundreds of people in recent memory. People don't want to deal with this clearly cursed line of airplanes at all.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by OvbiousError »

jmward01 wrote: post #40

Aviation is safe. An issue happened and appropriate steps have immediately happened and in the end an already incredibly safe industry will be even safer. If a car has an issue we don't blink and we loose nearly 40k people a year in the US alone, but a plane has an issue and we panic. Yes, panic. This is not rational or helpful and is a huge reason why aviation is so antiquated. You want flying cars? Stop panicking a…

How many cars had their door fall off? More general, how many of those 40k were caused by defects in the car?
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