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Macs can now inform Apple if any liquids have been detected in the USB-C ports

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Post by mschuster91 »

frandroid wrote: post #58
gumby wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Volume, I’m sure. They sell a large volume of a small number of SKUs so go for the minimum feature set that can get them out a couple of sigmas of the target market. Anything else is aftermarket (special case) or just “buy something else”. There are a few exceptions. I wonder how many Mac pros they really sell. I assume it’s really a “halo” product that sells more Mac studios and MacBook pros. Also the Mac in general…

Half of developers in North America, and especially those at top tier companies, use Macs. You can't buy that kind of top tech mindshare with marketing. Also now with the M-series CPUs, Macbooks aren't PC Clones anymore, they're back in the game of being an exclusive platform, which will get even more exclusive as they add other specialized chips. Their sales share of the market and as you mention, their profit share…

> Their sales share of the market and as you mention, their profit share of the market keeps increasing, so even on that alone, why would a bean counter decide to drop them?

Apple at the moment doesn't have any marketshare in rugged, "out in the field" laptop computers. Obviously if any company can brute force an entry into any market it's Apple, but they would need significant investments into third parties that hold potential customers hostage to Windows, and Apple Just Does Not Do That unless the third party in question is a direct supplier of theirs.

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Post by arrrg »

lloeki wrote: post #73
gnicholas wrote: post #41

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Making the ports waterproof would be pretty easy, since they can do that on iPhones. But what about the ventilation areas? That's much trickier, I'd think. Making a waterproof iPad should be trivial since it has the same ports as an iPhone.

> Making the ports waterproof would be pretty easy, since they can do that on iPhones iPhones are not waterproof, they're IP68 water resistant. Apple even describes the port as being a liquid egress (and thus ingress) point in their public "oops I dunked my phone in water" support documentation. Dry your iPhone: 1. Tap your iPhone gently against your hand with the connector facing down to remove excess liquid. Leave…

I don’t think that means what you think it means.

Taking care to remove liquid from the port just as well makes sense simply because you do not want to have water in there when you plug the phone in and water in ports just doesn’t dry as easily as water on some surface.

In practice iPhones are (like nearly all modern phones) extremely water resistent and very unlikely to be water damaged by exposure to water or even immersion in water.

Phones are quite durable. Exposure to water is always a risk, obviously (so is any handling of an untethered phone in the presence of hard surfaces) but I would argue it‘s one you can reasonably take.

For my personal risk tolerance I sometimes rinse my phone in running water (taking care not to directly point the running faucet at any of the openings of the phone), I generally don’t worry about spills (so the phone might be on the kitchen counter where spills are likely) and I also took it out into the sea to take some photos (but did not submerge it).

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Post by wkat4242 »

kuschkufan wrote: post #168
froddd wrote: post #124

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Nothing in the article says Apple will void warranty on an iPhone if water has been detected in the charging port (water damage is a different thing entirely). This concerns Mac computers, which are not sold as waterproof.

I don't know, the first sentence says: > Apple’s limited warranty doesn’t cover damage caused by liquids, even for water-resistant products like the iPhone, Apple Watch, and some AirPods models. But the article is kind of all over the place. It then says Macs can now detect water in USB-C ports while having pictures in the article of iPhones showing messages that they detected liquids. They like to make the point tha…

The iPhone is full of water detector stickers inside and they do reject warranty claims if water got in. They say you must have done something you shouldn't have if that happens, like diving deep or something.

They will even refuse to install a new battery if you pay them.

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Post by mort96 »

buro9 wrote: post #102
donatj wrote: post #80

Wait wait wait, they advertise the iPhone as waterproof but still void the warranty and won’t fix it if their waterproofing fails? We lost the headphone jack for this?

My android pixel 7 reported water ingress in the usb port during a hike to kinder scout in the peak district (UK). It was raining lightly, but mostly there was a very thick fog / mist / drizzle that didn't really fall from the sky or land on you, rather it enveloped and coated you such that you were soaked. I'd only removed my phone from my waterproof jacket pocket on two occasions to verify GPS location as I was sti…

How could you possibly conclude that taking an iPhone camping is an "absolute no" from article that's just about how they have a safety feature to prevent you from charging in situations where charging might cause corrosion

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Post by paleface »

gnicholas wrote: post #112
macrolime wrote: post #67

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Watercooling or passive cooling with external heat sinks.

Has Apple ever made a water-cooled computer? I agree this could be done with heat sinks, but was just pointing out that the current MBA design isn't on the cusp of waterproof.

> Has Apple ever made a water-cooled computer?

The latter period of the G5, were water cooled, IIRC. They suffered from problems due to corrosion, though.

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Post by hnbad »

NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #75
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #64

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I think water resistant is underselling what IP68 is a bit. The test to pass ip68 is to completely submerge the device in water up to 30 minutes. Sure that’s not water proof, but when people think water resistant they probably think “should survive water getting spilled nearby”, which is a level below “able to be completely submerged in water for up to a half hour”. For most cases where it matters the device is water…

In 2013, Avril Lavigne inserted a blatant ad demonstrating the Sony Xperia phone's water resistance: https://youtu.be/uuNTO31FlY8?si=A8Ye7Nw1kpKUoonj

Somehow I didn't expect it to be this blatant but yeah, that's pretty blatant. It's not even a throwaway scene, it's the actual intro to the video.

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Post by holoduke »

I really hate usb c ports. They all break. I am a poweruser I know, but still. My mac, my phones, my car charger. All of them are causing connection or charge issues because of dirt, broken connectors or something different. Just give me the old mac magnet charger and apply it on all my devices. My 2011 air is still working fine after all these years.

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Post by rajamaka »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #163
Dalewyn wrote: post #150

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And Sony Xperias still come with headphone jacks today[1] after they tried Apple'ing for a couple models and got laughed at. [1]: https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/mobile-phones-table...

Real question / No trolling: I feel like I am the last living human who still uses the headphone jack. When I walk around my city, I see almost zero other people using it. They using wireless earbuds. I avoid wireless earbuds to avoid yet-another-battery-to-be-charged. Is this true for other HNers also?

I don't think I have zoomed with another SWE that had a headphone cable in a decade.

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Post by npteljes »

sabellito wrote: post #148
Larrikin wrote: post #116

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Sony phones with headphone jacks, ten years ago were capable of all waterproof things you wanted to do. It's been a massive gaslighting campaign.

How is this "gaslighting"?

Gaslighting now just means scammed, or tricked into, or lied to, unfortunately.

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Post by naitgacem »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #163
Dalewyn wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Sony Xperias still come with headphone jacks today[1] after they tried Apple'ing for a couple models and got laughed at. [1]: https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/mobile-phones-table...

Real question / No trolling: I feel like I am the last living human who still uses the headphone jack. When I walk around my city, I see almost zero other people using it. They using wireless earbuds. I avoid wireless earbuds to avoid yet-another-battery-to-be-charged. Is this true for other HNers also?

I've been holding on on my 6 years old Galaxy S8 for this reason. It's yet-another-battery-to-be-charged, it introduced lag in audio especially where it matters(think video playback or games), the battery degrades over time, can't be used with my laptop as seamlessly as unplug-here-plug-there, and I personally like to keep headphones ON all the time even when I'm not listening, in case something comes up. this would be impossible with the Bluetooth ones. sign such a crappy direction they all headed in.
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