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I wonder if we could police the ocean with automated seafaring drones.
If the ship hasn’t turned off its location beacon you can generally tell if they’re fishing although you can’t determine how much they’ve caught.
Heh, poke bowls are already $20 where I live. Maybe we should make them $30 or $40 and save the fish.
You get a punch card. 5 per year. Every time you eat a tuna dish, youy get a punch. Oversimplifying the problem for a punch line, since there's only a few viable solutions, as I see it now.
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Only if they are armed and you’re willing to go to war over fish.
No, this is overblown. The drones just travel around the ocean scanning for illegal fishing. When they detect it, they determine who owns the vessel and send them a bill for fines. People respond to fines.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/21/such-brutality...
Eat less meet people, it's not that hard.
Fish is not categorized as "meet" not even "meat". But as others said: People love getting told what to eat, do, drive, think, vote.
Because I personally struggle to find a reason for why fish should be an exception, and at least Wikipedia also defines meat as "animal flesh that is eaten as food".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_pigeon Passenger pigeons were hunted by Native Americans, but hunting intensified after the arrival of Europeans, particularly in the 19th century. Pigeon meat was commercialized as cheap food, resulting in hunting on a massive scale for many decades. There were several other factors contributing to the decline and subsequent extinction of the species, including shrinking of th…
That's not how fishing works. After some threshold growing fish in aquaculture becomes cheaper than fishing, and things get back in balance. Otherwise, salmon would've been extinct by now. Tuna and herring are not grown en masse in aquaculture... yet. That will change.
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> Can’t get so fat and unhealthy. Why can't someone get as fat and unhealthy with a vegan diet? I'm friends with vegans who eat a LOT of processed foods - Gardein crispy tenders, Carl's Jr. for Beyond Burgers, etc. > And far healthier since most vegans and vegetarians live long and healthy lives compared to other groups. How much of this is attributable to a specific diet vs highlighting that those who care about wha…
> Why can't someone get as fat and unhealthy with a vegan diet? Don’t know about “unhealthy”, but “fat” is actually less likely, according to a research: “our results suggest that self-identified semivegetarian, lactovegetarian, and vegan women have a lower risk of overweight and obesity than do omnivorous women. The advice to consume more plant foods and less animal products may help individuals control their weight…
Tuna are Megafauna Humans deterministically deplete ingenious populations of megafauna to extinction The counter to this to date was megafauna herding via property boundary permanence. aka fencing for cattle So the only solution would be to figure out how to do ocean megafauna herding because reducing consumption is unlikely. Which would require massive scale 3 or 4 dimensional fencing. Sounds like a technical proble…
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>It's worth noting that Korea and Taiwan are right behind China in illegal fishing (#3 and #6, respectively). You should really include a citation when you claim countries are "on a list". For all I know they are #3 and #6 on "vkou's list of least favorite countries". Korea doesn't appear on the NOAA's list at all for 2023. Taiwan's impact is a tiny fraction of China's. While that's still not OK, we're comparing appl…
The IUU report[0] gives such a ranking in Table 4. Ten worst-performing countries. for IUU fishing scores by type, for all types of state responsibilty: China, Russia, South Korea, Somalia, Yemen, Taiwan, Ukraine, Eritrea, Egypt, Libya. [0] https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/IUU-...
https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/The-...
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No, this is overblown. The drones just travel around the ocean scanning for illegal fishing. When they detect it, they determine who owns the vessel and send them a bill for fines. People respond to fines.
People are free to ignore the fine. The country they live in won't enforce it, especially since the illegal fishing is often occurring in another country's waters. In many cases, it is tacitly encouraged by the home country. We can already detect illegal fishing, that's not a limitation. Illegal fishing fleets greatly out-scale the ability of naval forces to seize them, so the occasional seizure is just a cost of doi…
My larger point in the GP is that you don't need to threaten anybody with force to get them to comply with a (hypothetical, future) law or treaty like this. The people doing this fishing are operating businesses, and if you make it costly for them to operate a certain way, they will change how they are operating to become compliant. This occurs all the time in other industries, so I don't see why fishing would be different.
Eat less meet people, it's not that hard.
Eat more chickin'