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Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by Dylan16807 »

vel0city wrote: post #163
csnover wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess my question is can you please fix your braindead blacklisting? Several times per year—I can practically guarantee it’ll happen sometime in December, and indeed had to deal with this just five days ago—I end up with a bunch of users whose email notifications stop working because Microsoft have started blocking the entire netrange where my server lives. I don’t have control over other Linode customers, guys! I…

> I don’t have control over other Linode customers, guys! You do have control over being a Linode customer though. If Linode isn't doing enough to prevent abuse, they deserve to be blocked.

Asking infrastructure providers to police email content is a very invasive thing to want. I don't think I agree with that.

Realistically, what can they do here? Make servers unaffordable to discourage abuse? Give most servers "Internet*" access where some ports are missing?

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by jbotz »

StayTrue wrote: post #157

I had this problem for years. I would get the block lifted and it would return in short order. I surmise it’s because my mail server runs on a VPS and other users on my subnet are not well behaved (actually I know this for a fact). I solved the problem by paying for a next hop SMTPS server as an upstream smarthost for non-local mails. That means my mails come from a subnet that fronts TONS of other servers/domains. T…

Who do you use for the upstream smarthost?

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by StayTrue »

jbotz wrote: post #172
StayTrue wrote: post #157

I had this problem for years. I would get the block lifted and it would return in short order. I surmise it’s because my mail server runs on a VPS and other users on my subnet are not well behaved (actually I know this for a fact). I solved the problem by paying for a next hop SMTPS server as an upstream smarthost for non-local mails. That means my mails come from a subnet that fronts TONS of other servers/domains. T…

Who do you use for the upstream smarthost?

mailgun.com

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by vel0city »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #171
vel0city wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t have control over other Linode customers, guys! You do have control over being a Linode customer though. If Linode isn't doing enough to prevent abuse, they deserve to be blocked.

Asking infrastructure providers to police email content is a very invasive thing to want. I don't think I agree with that. Realistically, what can they do here? Make servers unaffordable to discourage abuse? Give most servers "Internet*" access where some ports are missing?

> Give most servers "Internet*" access where some ports are missing?

Disallow SMTP traffic unless an account has a certain reputation or verified identity related to it?

I mean, they don't have to do that, and I would agree the government shouldn't force it to happen. But if someone is constantly causing you problems you shouldn't be required to deal with their shit. If you don't want to behave, expect consequences from everyone else in society.

If every time my friends invited me over I brought over another random person that smears feces all over the walls and pees in the corner I probably won't get invited over very often. Linode (and other cheap VPS hosts) are that person constantly enabling abusive people and subjecting them to others.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by freetanga »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #63
freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

I really don't understand how people think government issues services have more privacy, when in reality it is the exact opposite. It didn't even take NSA leaks to know that government privacy violations are lot more both in terms of quantity and the impact. I would never use a government email if it is tied my real self. At least in my country I know for a fact that data which should be legally private is used by po…

I don’t trust them with privacy. But I don’t trust FAANG with that either.

But I do freak out about loosing my domain name where my email is hosted, or access to an iCloud / gmail account that a lot of services are anchored about.

Two months ago LinkedIn did not like me changing my 2FA client, and locked me out for a month. I have over 5.000 contacts and was chasing a few leads to change jobs. I can tell you is cold outside. Nobody provides support. I had to leverage a friend who knew someone at LinkedIn to sort it out. I hear being locked out of Google, MS and Meta is also bad.

I have an .ac account for life that is my “last resort” recovery, but having a government provided email for secure recovery purposes would feel reassuring.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by freetanga »

briandear wrote: post #101
b112 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. The era of Pii as a commodity is coming to a close. The writing is on the wall for this. Once that happens, free email will vanish. Poof. Gone. So will many other "free" online things. This period of most people getting free email is really quite short historically. A decade. (Many people used to get email addresses from…

How poor are people that a low cost email service is too expensive? $5 a month for Europeans or Americans would be nothing. Think how much poor people spend on stamps.

In many cases is the expectation of the service being free…

If someone told you that checking the weather app is .50 usd per query, you probably would try to find a different alternative, as you expect it to be free.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by Dylan16807 »

vel0city wrote: post #174
Dylan16807 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asking infrastructure providers to police email content is a very invasive thing to want. I don't think I agree with that. Realistically, what can they do here? Make servers unaffordable to discourage abuse? Give most servers "Internet*" access where some ports are missing?

> Give most servers "Internet*" access where some ports are missing? Disallow SMTP traffic unless an account has a certain reputation or verified identity related to it? I mean, they don't have to do that, and I would agree the government shouldn't force it to happen. But if someone is constantly causing you problems you shouldn't be required to deal with their shit. If you don't want to behave, expect consequences f…

Personally inviting someone to your party? Surely the analogy to linode is something like an apartment building owner. You wouldn't ban your established friend just because you keep having problems with nearby tenants.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by freetanga »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #148
cogman10 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember when the US gov did that with a number? The SSN? I don't know how you can make something like this "easy to recover" without introducing giant security problems.

> I don't know how you can make something like this "easy to recover" without introducing giant security problems. In a similar way for instance that you would recover a lost, stolen, or accidentally destroyed US passport (but presumably cheaper).

I was thinking more along the line of walking to your local Goverment office and validate your ID.

Many countries offer digital IDs to interact with them. And a (cumbersome vs digital but fast Vs traditional government processes) way of unlocking it. It would be just offering a email inbox linked to it.

In Spain we have an Inbox from the DMV for fines, one with the Tax authority, one with local government… these are messaging boards inboxes. The move to a single digital inbox could help streamline many government processes.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by throw0101b »

kstrauser wrote: post #166
RankingMember wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really love the modern support experience of no-response, trial-and-error, until suddenly, if you're lucky, the void on other end magically solves the problem. Confidence-inspiring stuff

It occurs to me that I make fun of sovereign citizen types, but in tech we have our own set of rituals for getting large organizations to do what we want. While those people are still boneheads, maybe I should be more empathetic about their motivations and why they think that this time it might work .

> It occurs to me that I make fun of sovereign citizen types, but in tech we have our own set of rituals for getting large organizations to do what we want.

Sadly a "shibboleet" does not yet exist:

* https://xkcd.com/806/

* https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/806:_Tech_Support

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by throw0101b »

cogman10 wrote: post #76
freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

Remember when the US gov did that with a number? The SSN? I don't know how you can make something like this "easy to recover" without introducing giant security problems.

> Remember when the US gov did that with a number? The SSN?

The problem is that the SSN is treated as a password when it should be treated as username.

Knowing first.last at gmail.com gives you nothing much, security-wise. Knowing I'm 123456789 at ssn.usps.com wouldn't be that much different, though given the limited search space, it would be an easy target for spammers. (Perhaps expanding from nine digits to something bigger (16+, see perhaps ISO/IEC 7812) would be useful, though there'd have to be a lot of work to update systems, even though they're not short of numbers.)

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