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For hosted models I’ve noticed that Bard has been quietly improving. Was awful at first but now seems to be closing in. Actually-open AI with open weights and open source is innovating rapidly too, especially when it comes to making models more efficient on smaller hardware. We have fast local mixtures of experts now. Rumor is that Llama3 is training as well, and that it may be some kind of MoE. I feel like focusing…
I've definitely seen Bard beat ChatGPT once in a while. I don't use bard much but when ChatGPT gives me an answer I know is wrong I go see if Bard did any better and yes, sometimes Bard is better, not often enough for me to switch ... yet?
"King of the Cannibals": How Sam Altman Took over Silicon Valley
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#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm still trying to figure out what the argument is.
The argument: Rich people control the world. Rich people own the media. Rich people run boards. Rich people built up cults of personality. Influencers to lend credibility for their long terms plans. Rich people then pick a rich friend or ‘make’ a new friend, and then promote their friend. Rich people’s friends typically after their role is done are found to be sociopaths and liars and frauds. But this is OK because r…
Control of boards doesn't matter.
Rich people don't control the media, because the upper middle class won't let them.
Sam Altman does not secretly control the world; see above.
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#173This kind of gives away the reason for his firing. He was pursuing his vision of AI incluing a chipset specific to LLM processing that would break nvidias hold of the market. Apparently the BoD didnt like it. They should have just been more forthcoming about it. Some CEOs would get fired for moonlighting. Others (Elon Musk, etc) build massive companies and make their existing companies more resilient and lasting. The…
the board was about to vaporize employee equity overnight - the secondary was days away and would have been life changing for many employees and significant for all of them. SA is probably a great a leader but the financial incentives for the employees to support him and ensure the secondary went through were huuuuuuge
It was the team. Who put the team together?
We will never know if OpenAI would have succeeded w/o SA. That's unfalsifiable. But they got to a life changing equity because the CEO helped get it there.
My point: SA was likely putting the scaffolding of a 2nd home run in place, right as the board got scared of being on 3rd base going for the run.
And therein lies the problem. The BoD was not playing the long game.
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Yes, I am saying Altman is not in fact one of the most powerful and influential figures in the world. Also that Gore Vidal is a 9/11 truther.
I've largely nodded along with you over the years but from the little I've read of Vidal's later years he wasn't a hard core truther (of the "they cut the steel and demolitioned the towers" ilk), more his usual cynic political realist self: I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm a conspiracy analyst. Everything the Bushites touch is screwed up. They could never have pulled off 9/11, even if they wanted to. Even if they l…
It's also just possible I'm wrong! Like, obviously? But I think we're all just hyperfixated on this guy because we can see ourselves wearing the same goofy blue sneakers as he did in the "Bilderburg" photo. It's a crab bucket thing. Our attention to him, I mean. He could end up being a supervillain! I just don't think he is right now; I think what he is is much more boring than that.
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
The argument: Rich people control the world. Rich people own the media. Rich people run boards. Rich people built up cults of personality. Influencers to lend credibility for their long terms plans. Rich people then pick a rich friend or ‘make’ a new friend, and then promote their friend. Rich people’s friends typically after their role is done are found to be sociopaths and liars and frauds. But this is OK because r…
The upper middle class controls the world. Control of boards doesn't matter. Rich people don't control the media, because the upper middle class won't let them. Sam Altman does not secretly control the world; see above.
Interested in this theory of middle class controlling the world. My personal yardstick is: “whose interests are most served by the system?”
For example, “middle class” doesn’t want wars, revolution, things shaking up. Which is why comrades hate them. Upper classes despise them and lower classes want to kill them. :) So seriously, is it the “middle class controlling the world” that has cash fire hoses gushing dollars “abroad” while “middle class” struggles to hold on to its shrinking perch?
Do enlighten me brother.
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've largely nodded along with you over the years but from the little I've read of Vidal's later years he wasn't a hard core truther (of the "they cut the steel and demolitioned the towers" ilk), more his usual cynic political realist self: I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm a conspiracy analyst. Everything the Bushites touch is screwed up. They could never have pulled off 9/11, even if they wanted to. Even if they l…
Sure. We can probably amicably depart the thread here with the sentiment that Vidal is not the least controversial authority you could introduce to an argument about shadowy powers controlling the world. I like Vidal! I'm just saying, he's not like, the AskHistorians pick. It's also just possible I'm wrong! Like, obviously? But I think we're all just hyperfixated on this guy because we can see ourselves wearing the s…
We're in damn near furious agreement . . . although there's a few of the original AskHistorians academics from a decade back that would take Vidal over Jared Diamond in a heartbeat :)
Be well.
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Then why do you care? I don't care, even enough to click on that. Why do you? I'm asking seriously.
Because understanding where actual power comes from in society and how it is wielded in practice is both interesting and substantive.
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Seems to me like Sam Altman is really good at making the actual builders believe that they need him to make things happen, and really successful at making the world believe that he was the actual builder. On that note he just posted a thread on how much of a visionary he is. I follow a lot of people on this topic and even at the top of the foodchain there are hundreds of people from all corners of the world competing…
Then why do you care? I don't care, even enough to click on that. Why do you? I'm asking seriously.
Serious answer then.
The reality is that the higher the pay, the less it stings when people screw you over. If OpenAI was a low pay startup, Ilya would probably feel a lot more bitter about what happened. People care for various reasons. You don't need to care, because you actually already have what I described above, because of three reasons:
1. the work that you did and the country in which you did it
2. the people you were surrounded with while you were doing it
3. the culture around it, especially the US is very vocal about what they achieve, which automatically became a huge (possibly) unintentional mutual marketing platform for you and your friends.
There are plenty of security people that have contributed to the security community just as much as you, but make a fraction of the money. Good for you, honestly, but not everyone has had those opportunities. For many of us(I for example grew up in Germany as an immigrant), the predominant culture is to not invest in people like us(very different from the valley), and to make sure to constantly tell them that they can only be successful if they are good worker bees. It took someone convincing me to leave to the UK to realize that.
I want to know and improve, because I have made several people and institutions rich or contributed to their fame, because of whatever work I did or whatever thing I reverse engineered, and got ultimately burned with zero credit.
LLM's would exist with or without OpenAI, but it's absolutely fascinating that Sam how somehow managed to convince the world(outside of a big scientific and engineering niche) that ChatGPT would not have happened without him, but that conversely everyone at ChatGPT is disposable. Even if you don't care about Sam in general it may be worth caring about it in some fashion, when he's lobbying on Capitol Hill to limit access to non regulated AI.
It's only natural for me to want to learn some of it, to at least protect myself in the future.
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And last year, crypto was going to take over the world. I'm skeptical of yet another, extremely computationally expensive aspirational technique.
Unlike crypto, you can try AI for yourself to see the benefits.
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
The argument: Rich people control the world. Rich people own the media. Rich people run boards. Rich people built up cults of personality. Influencers to lend credibility for their long terms plans. Rich people then pick a rich friend or ‘make’ a new friend, and then promote their friend. Rich people’s friends typically after their role is done are found to be sociopaths and liars and frauds. But this is OK because r…
The upper middle class controls the world. Control of boards doesn't matter. Rich people don't control the media, because the upper middle class won't let them. Sam Altman does not secretly control the world; see above.