I'm also surprised that someone ... selling something ... gets such negativity on Hacker News of all places. Again, if you don't like it or it doesn't have value to you, don't buy it!
Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit
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#172I understand Tailwind's decision to choose a framework, but it is not good for us, and I suspect will not age well.
I have a non React site, and including React for a button makes no sense.
All the new stuff they are developing are not worth my even looking at.
I feel they built themselves up while doing everything in Vanilla, then for a period the sponsored and promoted Alpine as being their style, then in Headless moved to React + Vue, and now have abandoned that.
They've forgotten how much of the world wants to use Tailwind but won't use React.
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#173As an infrastructure engineer who spends all day in Go and Bash and AWS I gotta say I’m a huge fan of Tailwind. This looks worth buying too. People are blown away by my front end skills, baby I’m just letting Copilot and Tailwind whisper sweet anodyne nothings into my ear. Keep me as far away from design as you can; this helps!
ChatGPT is an expert at tailwind
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#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is unfortunately the whole space around Tailwind and UI kits. Incomplete kits which look the same and are all priced highly. Just look at Catalyst, Shadcn and Radix UI. I don't know what's new in all of this. These are used by "agencies".
> These are used by "agencies" Oh my word, the horror! What's wrong with agencies?
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#175What's with all the negativity here on HN, especially about the pricing? The Tailwind team created one of the most used CSS frameworks ever and charge nothing for it. The framework needs a revenue stream to enable continued investment. Rails has basecamp. Bootstrap had twitter. React has meta. Tailwind has Tailwind UI. I find it great value. It's a one-off cost comparable to hiring a designer or front-end developer f…
> one of the most used CSS frameworks ever Any evidence for this claim?
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#176I wish there was a "frameworkless" version. Just include the JS/CSS/Font(s) and paste the html and there you go.
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#177There's something I genuinely don't understand in discussions of price, which is that folks seem to want to ignore basic economics. Something is either worth it to you or it's not. If it is worth it, and you want it, you may buy it. If it's not, then you don't buy it. The world keeps spinning. The Tailwind folks seem to think this may be worth $150 to some people. Those people might buy it. If you think it's not wort…
I have used this on occasion to figure out where it makes the most sense for me to exchange money for services.
https://programs.clearerthinking.org/what_is_your_time_reall...
Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit
#178There's something I genuinely don't understand in discussions of price, which is that folks seem to want to ignore basic economics. Something is either worth it to you or it's not. If it is worth it, and you want it, you may buy it. If it's not, then you don't buy it. The world keeps spinning. The Tailwind folks seem to think this may be worth $150 to some people. Those people might buy it. If you think it's not wort…
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m using parts of Shadcn on a real product making real money. It’s really just a combination of cva, radix, and tailwind that you can copy into your app and customize/extend. Shadcn, radix, and tailwind are all FOSS so they are not “high-priced”. Your analysis is shallow and unfounded.
It's a shame these are all focused on react. I'd appreciate a vanilla js option
Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit
#180This is an unbelievably unfinished UI library. Especially with a price tag. A limited set of components with very little attention to detail. For example, the buttons lack the active state completely. Why would I pay €250 for something I can find easily for free?
Complaints about TailwindCSS always remind me of this quote: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” ― Upton Sinclair, I, Candidate for Governor https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/21810-it-is-difficult-to-ge...
Tailwind (and similar, I tend to use https://unocss.dev/) is not good for your frontend architecture BUT they allow you to be so fast, that it negates the benefits.
For a job well done, I'd follow the principles of https://maintainablecss.com/ For throwaway code I need to cram out as fast as I can, Tailwind it is.
I understand agencies using Tailwind, or Bootstrap, their revenue depends on it.