I was curious about Apple appealing to the Biden administration to veto the ruling because it sounded quite arbitrary from the last paragraph "Apple has had success persuading presidents in the past to veto I.T.C. rulings. In 2013, the Obama administration overturned a ban on the sale of some iPhones and iPads, after the court determined that Apple had violated a patent that Samsung owned." However, turns out the veto was just on blocking the sales rather than stopping the patent litigation, so even if Apple do get the Biden administration to veto the block and they can start selling phones again, that doesn't solve the dispute. As far as I understand it, this is the judge getting fed up with one or both of Apple and Masimo (presumably Apple given that they're the one being told to stop selling products) dicking about rather than coming to a settlement.
Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week
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#172Patents are universally stifling innovation in pretty much every area of tech. They need to die.
EDIT: And to be clear, this isn’t a case of just having to pay the people who developed the tech for a license. The patent trolls who hold the license aren’t willing to sell Apple a license, unless Apple switches to use their hardware or partner with them to work on Apple’s hardware. There is no excuse. Markets can’t work when governments grant arbitrary legal monopolies on ideas like this.
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#173Patents are universally stifling innovation in pretty much every area of tech. They need to die. EDIT: And to be clear, this isn’t a case of just having to pay the people who developed the tech for a license. The patent trolls who hold the license aren’t willing to sell Apple a license, unless Apple switches to use their hardware or partner with them to work on Apple’s hardware. There is no excuse. Markets can’t work…
This is true of all "intellectual" "property"
Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week
#174Patents are universally stifling innovation in pretty much every area of tech. They need to die. EDIT: And to be clear, this isn’t a case of just having to pay the people who developed the tech for a license. The patent trolls who hold the license aren’t willing to sell Apple a license, unless Apple switches to use their hardware or partner with them to work on Apple’s hardware. There is no excuse. Markets can’t work…
This is the opposite of stifling innovation. It's literally not innovative, which is a big point of the ruling.
The company produces and sells watches with the technology. It's not a patent troll.
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#175Patents are universally stifling innovation in pretty much every area of tech. They need to die. EDIT: And to be clear, this isn’t a case of just having to pay the people who developed the tech for a license. The patent trolls who hold the license aren’t willing to sell Apple a license, unless Apple switches to use their hardware or partner with them to work on Apple’s hardware. There is no excuse. Markets can’t work…
This is the opposite of stifling innovation. It's literally not innovative, which is a big point of the ruling. The company produces and sells watches with the technology. It's not a patent troll.
They may be selling products but that doesn’t mean they’re not patent trolls. This is clear patent troll behaviour even if other parts of the business is honest.
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#176"Masimo detailed how Apple poached its top executives and more than a dozen other employees before later releasing a watch with pulse oximeter capabilities — which measures the percentage of oxygen that red blood cells carry from the lungs to the body — that were patented by Masimo" "Joe Kiani, the chief executive of Masimo, said in an interview that Apple had not engaged in licensing negotiations. Instead, he said t…
I realize from the perspective of patent law, the patent is not dumb and Apple needs to respect patent law. But man, the patent is just dumb. It's simply just existing technology A, but on obvious technology B. There is absolutely zero innovation.
Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week
#177Patents are universally stifling innovation in pretty much every area of tech. They need to die. EDIT: And to be clear, this isn’t a case of just having to pay the people who developed the tech for a license. The patent trolls who hold the license aren’t willing to sell Apple a license, unless Apple switches to use their hardware or partner with them to work on Apple’s hardware. There is no excuse. Markets can’t work…
This is true of all "intellectual" "property"
There is some nuance here. I like trademarks which disallow other companies than Apple from selling products called “Apple Watch” or other companies than Samsung from selling “Samsung Galaxy S” series phones. And I like that if I make a piece of music or some art or whatever, some giant company can’t just grab that and use it for profit without making some arrangement with me.
But intellectual property goes way too far.
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the opposite of stifling innovation. It's literally not innovative, which is a big point of the ruling. The company produces and sells watches with the technology. It's not a patent troll.
They may be selling products but that doesn’t mean they’re not patent trolls. This is clear patent troll behaviour even if other parts of the business is honest.
By the common usage of the phrase, that is what it means.
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#179This stuff is ancient technology. It's a pulse oximeter. We've had those for decades. And then this is a pulse oximeter with computer storage attached. That's a nonsense patent. If Apple is fighting it, perhaps there's a chance it will invalidate. That's a good thing for us.
Have we had a wrist based pulse oximeter for decades? If this were so trivial, Apple may not have needed to hire so many people that worked on the patented technology
Surprisingly, yes actually. Wrist-based pulse oximeters are almost a decade and a half old and pulse oximeters are a century old maybe at this point.
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
They may be selling products but that doesn’t mean they’re not patent trolls. This is clear patent troll behaviour even if other parts of the business is honest.
By the common usage of the phrase, that is what it means.
The way I use the term, a company which engages in patent trolling is a patent troll. That seems natural to me, but I apologise if that’s unorthodox use.