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Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Nextcloud looks clunky but it certainly isn't heavyweight

Isn't it PHP based. I worry about anything written in that turd of a language.

I guess you still think about PHP when it was version 3 or 4... we're at version 8.3 now and it's definitely not the same thing. Both for language and performance.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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A self-hosted personal server very much needs to be kept up to date. This isn't a "state-level actor" issue; any vulnerabilities in software like this, especially in software that someone might not update in a timely fashion, will get scanned for automatically and exploited when found. In theory , the portions that are only accessible with authentication are less security sensitive if you have only a small set of tru…

Hmm. I was imagining a personal server. If I were hosting a webmail client personally, I wouldn't expose it to inbound connections from the Internet at all, preferring to keep such a thing inside my LAN and via VPN only. Clearly I overassumed though, because you're right, when it could be that one would have such a thing accessible to a small team of people who don't use a VPN.

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Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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No, the issue is that send-only sends all modifications, including file deletion. I wanted it to only send new files, but couldn't find a way to do that.

https://docs.syncthing.net/advanced/folder-ignoredelete.html It works well enough in a backup system, where the issue explained on the page isn't relevant.

Nice, I guess it does work. Annoying that what feels to me a basic option is hidden for power users. I don't understand what your comment is saying though?

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Roundcube had a recent CVE. If a user just read a mail they would get hit, ouch. https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-8905...

If I remember well Outlook (or was it Outlook express?) used to do something very similar (speaking of 15 years ago or so), except it was infecting your local PC instead of the web server.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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I've been running Nextcloud for family collaboration purposes since before the fork from Owncloud. I've been pretty happy with it overall. My biggest gripe with it is the increasing schizophrenia of the UX devs. One thing I _loved_ about Nextcloud was that they paid a lot of attention to making it easy to navigate and use. The newer UX "enhancements" seem to be all about maximizing (useless) whitespace and making eve…

> Unfortunately, this had a UI "update" too and now practically nothing can be customized the way I prefer. If someone forks Roundcube and brings back the old theme, I will switch to it tomorrow. ?? The old skins (Classic and Larry) are still available as plugins via PHP composer, aren't they?

Yah, though it's annoying you have to hack them into the UI again with composer instead of having a plugin system in the app that can just add them.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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I've been running Nextcloud for family collaboration purposes since before the fork from Owncloud. I've been pretty happy with it overall. My biggest gripe with it is the increasing schizophrenia of the UX devs. One thing I _loved_ about Nextcloud was that they paid a lot of attention to making it easy to navigate and use. The newer UX "enhancements" seem to be all about maximizing (useless) whitespace and making eve…

> upgrades are a breeze upgrades are a breeze even without docker... the self updating function of nextcloud works very well.

>self updating function of nextcloud works very well

Then that's a new development. I've been using it since about v9 and it was a complete trainwreck that might have had a 25% success rate until I gave it up and moved to the docker around v17.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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post #76

I've been running Nextcloud for family collaboration purposes since before the fork from Owncloud. I've been pretty happy with it overall. My biggest gripe with it is the increasing schizophrenia of the UX devs. One thing I _loved_ about Nextcloud was that they paid a lot of attention to making it easy to navigate and use. The newer UX "enhancements" seem to be all about maximizing (useless) whitespace and making eve…

Love nextcloud in theory, but it is a tangled and ugly mess of a UI. It is slow and they spend time on features that only the devs seem to care about.

Problem with free and open source software is that you have to follow the passion of the devs, which can sometimes optimize out of usefulness.

Because of this, I think this is very bad news for roundcube.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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NextCloud is just your typical PHP & MySQL webapp. The scaling limit is how many connections your database server can handles and how much iops your disk provides.

They are advertising a enterprise ready solution and it's clearly not. No matter how much hardware you throw at it.

I beg to differ and so would our over 1000 customers, none of them with less than 100 seats (we don't sell below that). Most have 1000 users or more.

The largest has several tens of millions of users and they are using Global Scale. One customer runs nearly 4 million users on a single cluster.

Nextcloud is a complicated beast, and scaling to tens of thousands of users isn't trivial, but then that is what Nextcloud Enterprise is for. So if you need a large scale installation, no problem - contact our team and we get you up and running.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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It would be nice if Nextcloud would come in small modules, and one could effectively run only webmail, and add more features in the future on demand. Having everything in one just increases attack surface and makes more work managing it all.

I have good news for you: https://apps.nextcloud.com

Nextcloud is nothing more than a collection of small apps. You can disable even core things like sharing.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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I really want to like Nextcloud. I had it all set up perfectly earlier this year with their "AIO" setup. Then some upgrade came along and completely destroyed my install, couldn't get the containers to start after that, couldn't figure out how to debug it; seemed like the only way to get it back on its feet was to wipe and start over. I wiped; I haven't started over yet.

I have been upgrading my then owncloud setup now nextcloud setup for the last 10 years or so almost without issue - most issues I had where back when it was still owncloud. I think I did a wipe back then once. Nowadays even if something goes wrong I know what i can do. For instance i upgraded PHP too soon once and had to manually patch it. Anecdotal evidence tho. Results vary. I like nextcloud because worst case all…

Same here, but it's a big and complicated beast. I never lost data but then with hundreds of thousands of servers out there, somebody is bound to. Even if it's just due to bloody cosmic rays ;-)
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