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Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by justinclift »

charcircuit wrote: post #153
justinclift wrote: post #54

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From your point of view, does using telemetry have downsides? No concept of misleading info or bad product development direction from using it?

>does using telemetry have downsides? The main downside is the extra work and cost of getting it all set up, properly cleaning up unneeded telemetry, and making sure telemetry itself doesn't cause performance issues. >No concept of misleading info or bad product development direction from using it? Telemetry doesn't replace a strong protect sense, but without telemetry you are flying blind.

Do you work in game development? I've heard similar things before in that area, and it kind of makes sense for that specific use case.

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Post by kzhe »

carlosjobim wrote: post #160
stupendousyappi wrote: post #122

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This is how I feel about Vlad's statement on their Discord that he wants to provide email services. That strikes me as a big project in terms of both development and operations, somewhat contrary to their privacy focus, and not something that their users are asking for (on Discord, I'd say that most commenters said they were unlikely to use it any time soon, switching would be too much of a hassle). And while I subsc…

Completely agree with you that Kagi e-mail will be unnecessary, even though I trust them on privacy. There are already great e-mail providers, such as Fastmail. But it makes some sense for them to go for e-mail, since they're already hitting Google on search. They're basically going after Google where it's possible: search, web browser, e-mail. They can't go after Google on maps or video streaming, so they do what th…

But they are going after google maps. There's a beta "Kagi maps" on their maps tab

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by cannonpalms »

jd3 wrote: post #74
mm263 wrote: post #6

I've been using it for a while as my main browser and it suffers from all of the usual issues that early development stage browsers have: bugs, memory leaks. The bugs are nasty as well, I'm sometimes forced to switch back to Firefox: one example is once there was a build that crashed my browser when I opened a new tab in tree view. The extension support is in progress as well. UBlock Origin and BitWarden work, but YN…

Orion has actually triggered two kernel panics for me in the past week. It's easy on battery life though, so I've been using it still when I'm on the go.

I'm not very familiar with this space, so perhaps someone could explain this to me. I was under the impression that a kernel panic indicates a problem at the kernel level, not in userland. Is it not the goal of most/all kernels to insulate themselves from userland mistakes?

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by fikama »

4ggr0 wrote: post #91
vsnf wrote: post #31

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By what mechanism is it possible for this to be true when Firefox doesn't even support Firefox extensions?

Is this a joke I'm not getting? Currently using FF on every device I use, with 3+ extensions.

On IOS firefox doesn't support any extensions

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by ochronus »

Beijinger wrote: post #78
ochronus wrote: post #17

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I had the same experience. Even if uBlock Origin kind of works, somehow it doesn't block the same number of ads as it does with other browsers, I wonder why. Same uBlock Origin version, same filters enabled, fewer ads blocked on Orion. I used this site for example to test: https://d3ward.github.io/toolz/adblock.html - scores 65% on orion and 99% on other browsers

99% of what? of ads not served? You are mixing ads and tracking and in the end, you can be tracked because you are still unique: With my heavily, via plug-ins, privacy focused firefox I get 99%. With https://www.amiunique.org/fingerprint I get: Yes! You are unique among the 2206539 fingerprints in our entire dataset. PS: with my vanilla Chrome - I use several browsers, for banking and buying plane tickets I always re…

99% as a score of this reproducible ad blocker test. You can see the individual tests on the site. I'm not saying it's a gold standard or anything, just a tool I happen to use. And you're right, passive tracking is a b.tch :)

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by hackideiomat »

syndicatedjelly wrote: post #140
hackideiomat wrote: post #65

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No. This is done by a company without a real security team. Compare that to Google, with one of the best security teams in the world.

And as we all know, Google's security record is spotless.

They are still one of the very best

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Post by hackideiomat »

comte7092 wrote: post #144
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #106

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This. Meet works better with Chrome, so I used to have chrome for Meet only, and Firefox for everything else.

I’ve so consistently had issues with Google products on Firefox, that I can’t help but feel it’s intentional. At this point I keep a chromium based browser around as my google apps portal, and nothing else.

Change your user agent so it looks like chrome, life is better then.

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Post by [deleted] »

infecto wrote: post #84

I am hopeful for its development but it’s not a daily driver for me. Too many bugs, not a large enough team to support it. When I have looked at the support forum the developer is sometimes a little hostile about bugs/issues, enough so that I don’t care to report my own issues. This is a subjective statement your experience may differ.

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Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by hackideiomat »

charcircuit wrote: post #157
freediver wrote: post #57

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It almost can not by definition, as every telemetry will include user IP address which is considered PII. Regardless what the stated purpose of that telemetry was, private information will leak and that browser can not be calling itself privacy respecting. Zero telemetry by default is the only way a browser respects user privacy. If the user opts-in into telemetry then obviously it is user's choice, but usually brows…

Every single site you visit will get your IP. That is now the web works. Most sites will be logging your IP.

But not my browser

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by carlosjobim »

kzhe wrote: post #172
carlosjobim wrote: post #160

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Completely agree with you that Kagi e-mail will be unnecessary, even though I trust them on privacy. There are already great e-mail providers, such as Fastmail. But it makes some sense for them to go for e-mail, since they're already hitting Google on search. They're basically going after Google where it's possible: search, web browser, e-mail. They can't go after Google on maps or video streaming, so they do what th…

But they are going after google maps. There's a beta "Kagi maps" on their maps tab

The reason people use Google Maps is because businesses provide them with their opening hours and users provide them with reviews, photos, etc. A small company like Kagi can never have that (unless they buy it from Google), so they can't really compete with GMaps. Apple could have a shot, if they weren't so arrogant.
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