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OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

#171

Now seems like the perfect time for him to go raise, bring over the team he wants, and retain ownership and control in a more effective way than a non-profit. Idk why he would go back without BOD capitulating a lot.

Because it will take 6 precious months at the least to get back to where OpenAI is today in terms of compute and people.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

#172

Man, the board already looked reckless and incompetent, but this solidifies the appearance. You can do crazy ill-advised things, but if you unwaveringly commit, we’ll always wonder if you’re secretly a genius. But when you immediately backtrack, we’ll know you were a fool all along.

Dude, everyone already thinks the board did a crazy ill-advised thing. They're about to be the board of like a 5 person or so company if they double down and commit. To be honest I hate takes like yours, where people think that acknowledging a mistake (even a giant mistake) is a sign of weakness. A bigger sign of weakness in my opinion is people who commit to a shitty idea just because they said it first, despite all…

> To be honest I hate takes like yours, where people think that acknowledging a mistake (even a giant mistake) is a sign of weakness.

The weakness was the first decision; it’s already past the point of deciding if the board is a good steward of OpenAI or not. Sometimes backtracking can be a point of strength, yes, but in this case waffling just makes them look even dumber.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

#173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think they could have won in the court of public opinion ... [but] they tried to skewer him, and it backfired completely Maybe we have different definitions of "the court of public opinion". Most people don't know who Sam Altman is, and most of the people who do know don't have strong opinions on his performance as OpenAI's CEO. Even on HN, the reaction to the board "skwer[ing] him" has been pretty mixed, and mos…

I mean, they're (allegedly) trying to get him to come back 24 hours later... so it's safe to say it did indeed backfire completely. Sure, the average person doesn't care about Sam. But among the people who matter, Sam certainly came out on top.

If Sam does come back Ilya’s maneuver will have been a spectacular miscalculation. Sam would be back much stronger than before and the people who cared about OpenAI’s original mission will have a massively damaged their reputation and credibility. They threw all the influence they had out the window.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

#174

You know, I always found Mike judge to probably be the most prescient of all of the science fiction authors. In Office Space, Idiocracy, and most relevant here in Silicon Valley; he accurately, and very precisely not only forecasts, but deconstructs the reasoning, and vapid lack of core philosophy behind each of the real life narratives he’s parodying. That serious people still consider Silicon Valley as some kind of…

SV... Like high tech companies? Venture capital? The TV show? What do you mean by that?

Im assuming they mean Silicon Valley the TV show [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley_(TV_series)

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

#175

You know, I always found Mike judge to probably be the most prescient of all of the science fiction authors. In Office Space, Idiocracy, and most relevant here in Silicon Valley; he accurately, and very precisely not only forecasts, but deconstructs the reasoning, and vapid lack of core philosophy behind each of the real life narratives he’s parodying. That serious people still consider Silicon Valley as some kind of…

Or real life is just messy but most people don’t know it because they willfully ignore it and just keep their head down living their boring middle class life.

Judge is no profit he just communicated what the rest of us already knew.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

#176
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With the way they fired him and the statement they made, it's hard to see how any of the remaining four could stay on if he did come back... as was previously mentioned, if you shoot at the king, don't miss.

At least the 3 independent members will be gone. Either will try to burry the hatchet with Ilya or he leaves as well.

Adam has competing interests. It's hard to see why he is even allowed in non profit board. And for other two members, their profile seem pretty weak for being in a board of one of most important companies in the world.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

#178

You know, I always found Mike judge to probably be the most prescient of all of the science fiction authors. In Office Space, Idiocracy, and most relevant here in Silicon Valley; he accurately, and very precisely not only forecasts, but deconstructs the reasoning, and vapid lack of core philosophy behind each of the real life narratives he’s parodying. That serious people still consider Silicon Valley as some kind of…

And yet an enormous amount of innovation and wealth is created in Silicon Valley.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

#179
> OpenAI is governed by the board of the OpenAI Nonprofit, comprised of OpenAI Global, LLC employees Greg Brockman (Chairman & President), Ilya Sutskever (Chief Scientist), and Sam Altman (CEO), and non-employees Adam D’Angelo, Tasha McCauley, Helen Toner.

At least two of these people are not like the others and deserve to be fired and disgraced for this shitshow regardless of how it pans out.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

#180
They just put themselves in a terrible negotiating position.

Probably so bad that the damage has already been done to themselves (the board) regardless what happens next.

How can Sam possibly agree on the board remaining intact when they don't trust him in his leadership?

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