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Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by lloeki »

pseudalopex wrote: post #156
lloeki wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Short of someone having fully reverse-engineered iMessage I didn't see it any other way given the way it operates (e.g messages in browser). Their piece about E2E seems especially misleading. I can see how it's "technically true" i.e it's E2E from their servers to the clients + iMessage being E2E itself, but consistent omission of what the E are sounds designed to mislead into thinking that it's device to device. The…

> I can see how it's "technically true" i.e it's E2E from their servers to the clients This is not E2E. Their servers are the middle. Not an end.

I mean I personally don't say it is E2E (it is not), rather than they do by having one E being on their side, and thus their verbiage being misleading.

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by aurareturn »

tigroferoce wrote: post #130
aurareturn wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's broken about the current way messaging landscape is?

The current scenario is so broken. You have multiple different platforms that do not interoperate with each other. Different platforms have become the standard de facto in different regions of the world (iMessage in us, WhatsApp in Europe, WeChat in china, ..). All of these platforms belong to private companies. A sane landscape would be having platform interoperability, at least for the most common features and then…

I have a few messaging apps on my phone. It doesn't bother me at all that I communicate with my family using iMessage, some friends with Whatsapp, and some friends with other chat apps, and work using Slack.

What's the problem exactly?

To have a standard? Isn't that what phone numbers and SMS are if you want a standard way of reaching someone?

If you have other standards, you reduce innovation because in order to change anything, you have to get 100s of companies to agree and comply.

But if Whatsapp, iOS, Viber, WeChat, etc wants to make something better, they can write the code and release it tomorrow.

Users have chosen the private model. It's better. It's faster. It innovates more. If you want a standard, it'll just become like SMS years later. I don't want one single app. Each app does something better.

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by FalconSensei »

pcchristie wrote: post #166
FalconSensei wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can send a SMS to iPhone users, and they'll see that in iMessage. If you want a group chat with friends, there are a bunch of apps for that. If your friends wants those cool features but refuse to use any one of existing apps besides iMessage to talk to you, then they are not your friends.

I guess the coutnerpoint is that SMS was invented in, what, the mid 90s? And MMS invented in the mid 00s (?) when things like group chats or sending a video (!) over a phone (at least > 500KB) were inconceivable. We are long overdue for a new, modern, open standard. Apple has in a way invented a pseudo-standard and a) refusing to let others in and b) refusing to also support any other open standard. I think it's reas…

the counterpoint is also that, internet is evolving way faster than those standards are able to keep up to speed.

Considering the issues folks are mentioning here about moving on to RCS and then possibly being unable to receive messages, etc... Americans can just do what the rest of the world does and use any app available on the app/play stores to chat. Whatsapp, kakaotalk, line, telegram, etc...

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by droptablemain »

SwiftyBug wrote: post #137

Is this a US specific thing? Why do people want to have their messages seen in blue bubbles so much? Why not just use another messaging app such as WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal, etc?

If you're trying online dating in the U.S. it is not uncommon to see people, primarily women, saying that your message bubbles must be blue.

It's completely absurd on so many levels of course, but it appears to be some sort of status attribute.

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by pseudalopex »

lloeki wrote: post #171
pseudalopex wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can see how it's "technically true" i.e it's E2E from their servers to the clients This is not E2E. Their servers are the middle. Not an end.

I mean I personally don't say it is E2E (it is not), rather than they do by having one E being on their side, and thus their verbiage being misleading.

Call it what it is. Not technically true. Not misleading. False.
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