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You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

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Re: You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

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Post by SenAnder »

emmet wrote: post #7

Anecdotal, but back in those "good old days" when you could get a screen replaced in 5 mins like this article said, on the three occasions I did this I ended up with the worst cheap Chinese knock off screens I have ever seen, the last time I ended up spending even more to get a genuine one. Hard to avoid this with small businesses when they need to make the enough of a margin at those cheaper retail prices. I'm sure…

Do you assume that Apple would be forbidden from offering repairs, if they stopped locking their hardware from the consumer?

This is such a common comment in these kinds of threads: "I'm happy with the choice they've forced on me, therefore the force itself is desirable." Like being happy your prison cell has a nice view.

Re: You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

FireBeyond wrote: post #167
JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #158

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> > I feel that Apple protects us from bad programmers for the most part Oh poor thing. They protect themselves and software houses from torrent-esque and crack-esque like solutions which can be easily found for everything that runs on Windows, including Office, not to mention the Windows OS itself and everything Android. That's also the reason why Apple dominates the US market whereas Android has the majority of dev…

> They protect themselves and software houses from torrent-esque and crack-esque like solutions which can be easily found for everything that runs on Windows, including Office, not to mention the Windows OS itself and everything Android. It's extremely easy to find pirated software for macOS, too. Let's not pretend that Windows is Skid Row and macOS is a pristine gated community.

macOS is not how Apple makes money, they make money with iOS as per the article

Re: You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

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Post by bigboy12 »

thfuran wrote: post #116
daft_pink wrote: post #113

The reason I think users don't mind Apple's control of their devices is that the reality is that users don't control devices, programmers do. Also, security requires constant updates and updates cost money, so it's not realistic to use a device for a decade, because you won't have security updates from any company at that point. Apple has better updates over time, which is reflected in it's higher resale values. So o…

>Also, security requires constant updates and updates cost money, so it's not realistic to use a device for a decade, because you won't have security updates from any company at that point Why can't someone exchange money for a service they find valuable? As I understand it, that has long been a common practice.

If people are complaining then just don’t buy the phone!! Problem solved.

Re: You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

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Post by natch »

billylo wrote: post #124
nikanj wrote: post #92

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I think this is an unavoidable side effect of Touch ID fully happening inside the module. The logic board has to have full trust of the module, because the module will simply inform the OS that fingerprint X was seen - the OS/logic board have no way to confirm the information

It’s their design choice. Most Windows laptop or Android phone do not have this hardwired coupling approach.

Yes design choice. Apple chose to design it for security.

Re: You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

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Post by natch »

ponorin wrote: post #165
billylo wrote: post #124

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It’s their design choice. Most Windows laptop or Android phone do not have this hardwired coupling approach.

google pixel does, but they did the unimaginable and released the tool where users can actually recalibrate the sensor.

Google is not a good comparison, because Google engineering is inferior.

Re: You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

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Post by gigel82 »

daft_pink wrote: post #113

The reason I think users don't mind Apple's control of their devices is that the reality is that users don't control devices, programmers do. Also, security requires constant updates and updates cost money, so it's not realistic to use a device for a decade, because you won't have security updates from any company at that point. Apple has better updates over time, which is reflected in it's higher resale values. So o…

> but Apple is ... keeping us more in control of our devices, by limiting which applications can be run on them

Holy Stockholm syndrome level of cognitive dissonance batman!

Re: You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

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Post by paulcole »

thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #89
paulcole wrote: post #69

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My iPhone works really well and I generally trust Apple. So I’m 100% fine with someone else controlling it.

>> My iPhone works really well and I generally trust Apple. So I’m 100% fine with someone else controlling it. The reality is that most people are choosing to let Apple or Google control their mobile devices. From what I have read, most free / libre smartphones are not ready for consumer use. Are there are any "good enough for grandma" libre smartphones?

> From what I have read, most free / libre smartphones are not ready for consumer use

Replace “most” with “all” and you’re closer to the truth.

Huge amounts of copium from anyone who thinks otherwise.

Re: You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

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Post by nikanj »

billylo wrote: post #124
nikanj wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is an unavoidable side effect of Touch ID fully happening inside the module. The logic board has to have full trust of the module, because the module will simply inform the OS that fingerprint X was seen - the OS/logic board have no way to confirm the information

It’s their design choice. Most Windows laptop or Android phone do not have this hardwired coupling approach.

Which means, crudely simplified, that your biometrics can be extracted from an Android or a Windows. I’d prefer companies being extra paranoid about my biometrics, because they can’t be changed if they’re leaked

Re: You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

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Post by tinus_hn »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #162
tinus_hn wrote: post #112

If only there were phones made by other manufacturers where the experience, which you know in advance, is different from the iPhone experience which you also know in advance! Then this wouldn’t be a monopoly!

As if having just two options were meaningful. Also, the phrase "dominant market position" or "oligopoly" is a mouthful so people just (incorrectly) say "monopoly" for short. Though since even "literally" nowadays often means "figuratively" instead, you might as well say this is what the word means now.

iPhone has a global market share of about 20%, and only a small majority market share in ‘premium smartphones’ in the US.

Nobody is forcing you to use an iPhone, billions do fine with the alternatives.

Apple does not have a dominant market position, an oligopoly or a monopoly and certainly is not illegally abusing any monopoly power.

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