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Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by seec »

93po wrote: post #144
QwertyPi wrote: post #132

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Ok, there are two issues here: 1. Amazon refuses to hold themselves accountable for the products they sell—they advertise one thing but sell you another, clearly indicating they have no idea what they're actually selling. 2. Apple relies on legal protections to artificially inflate the pricing of their products. AirPods aren't much better than bluetooth headphones sold for a tenth the price, and they are straight-up…

I don't know of any third party options to Airpods that: 1. pair instantly without problems to my apple devices 2. intelligently know when to switch between my phone to my laptop 3. intelligently know when to switch from car bluetooth to headphones 4. is compatible with "Find My" 5. has magsafe charging 6. has same sound quality and sound cancellation with above features these are all very important to me and my expe…

Those "features" are arbitrary stuff Apple told you to care about through their marketing. Many people really don't care about them, because outside the Apple ecosystem, there are other, often better solutions. The auto switching never worked properly for me so I'm always curious how come all Apple fanboys have it working so well. In my opinion it's like the Siri "demo" I got back in the day where the thing supposedly working so well, completely, and utterly failed, yet my Apple fan friend acted like everything worked fine.

I have non-Apple Bluetooth earbuds and they pair simply fine to my Apple devices (and others). Apple oversell the shit of their iCloud "auto switching" (that often do not work) but what you actually want is Bluetooth multipoint, a feature that many headphones in the price range of Airpods have.

Find my and MagSafe charging are very odd, Apple marketing induced request, and Apple definitely doesn't have a lead in sound quality at the price they sell their stuff. If anything, their sound quality is extremely disappointing considering the price. Funny thing is that for the price of a set of Airpods, you can get 2-3 equivalent competitors' products. So much of the stuff you say matters is largely irrelevant.

Before calling me a hater: I'm an Apple customer since the PPC days and bought both first iPod and first iPhone. But I am currently leaving the Apple ecosystem precisely because their pricing is not grounded in any technological reality, and mostly about fashion/social statuts.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by tnel77 »

seec wrote: post #171
93po wrote: post #144

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I don't know of any third party options to Airpods that: 1. pair instantly without problems to my apple devices 2. intelligently know when to switch between my phone to my laptop 3. intelligently know when to switch from car bluetooth to headphones 4. is compatible with "Find My" 5. has magsafe charging 6. has same sound quality and sound cancellation with above features these are all very important to me and my expe…

Those "features" are arbitrary stuff Apple told you to care about through their marketing. Many people really don't care about them, because outside the Apple ecosystem, there are other, often better solutions. The auto switching never worked properly for me so I'm always curious how come all Apple fanboys have it working so well. In my opinion it's like the Siri "demo" I got back in the day where the thing supposedl…

Person 1: I like

Person 2: Those "features" are arbitrary stuff Apple told you to care about through their marketing.

How wildly condescending lol. “You don’t actually like those things. You just do as you’re told, puppet.”

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by kube-system »

bmitc wrote: post #170
kube-system wrote: post #169

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Knowing about the existence of crime in a general sense is not legally or functionally the same as knowing about or being directly involved with a specific instance of crime. > I mean, if I had repeated instances of someone else performing illegal activities in my basement, I can't continually, or even once, claim that I had no idea. Amazon does not claim that they are unaware of counterfeit products on their platfor…

> They are not specifically aware that any particular new listing is fraudulent until after the fact. > However, putting the item in a warehouse does nothing to authenticate it. Those are both Amazon's problems and not customers' or the law's problems. Here's an idea: if you are constantly ingesting fraudulent products in your warehouses and shopping site, maybe do something about it?

They do do "something" about it.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by 93po »

seec wrote: post #171
93po wrote: post #144

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I don't know of any third party options to Airpods that: 1. pair instantly without problems to my apple devices 2. intelligently know when to switch between my phone to my laptop 3. intelligently know when to switch from car bluetooth to headphones 4. is compatible with "Find My" 5. has magsafe charging 6. has same sound quality and sound cancellation with above features these are all very important to me and my expe…

Those "features" are arbitrary stuff Apple told you to care about through their marketing. Many people really don't care about them, because outside the Apple ecosystem, there are other, often better solutions. The auto switching never worked properly for me so I'm always curious how come all Apple fanboys have it working so well. In my opinion it's like the Siri "demo" I got back in the day where the thing supposedl…

I hate capitalism and I think advertising is unethical in all forms. I have a high level of self awareness around corporate influence in my life and generally have massive disdain for any business. I believe my opinions are a result of how I actually use my device on a daily basis and not just a nice to have.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by seec »

93po wrote: post #174
seec wrote: post #171

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Those "features" are arbitrary stuff Apple told you to care about through their marketing. Many people really don't care about them, because outside the Apple ecosystem, there are other, often better solutions. The auto switching never worked properly for me so I'm always curious how come all Apple fanboys have it working so well. In my opinion it's like the Siri "demo" I got back in the day where the thing supposedl…

I hate capitalism and I think advertising is unethical in all forms. I have a high level of self awareness around corporate influence in my life and generally have massive disdain for any business. I believe my opinions are a result of how I actually use my device on a daily basis and not just a nice to have.

That's what you want to believe. Yet every "feature" you listed as a reason for buying AirPods exists in competing products, very often with superior experience. I don't know why anyone care about MagSafe if they have reliable wireless charging anyway and everything else listed just require a competent Bluetooth multi-point implementation and from experience it is preferable to the annoyance that is iCloud switching. When it comes to "Find My"; it is where we really enter the arbitrary territory because it is not a feature related to the use of earbuds, but some random stuff Apple is advertising because they have the money and scale to do custom chip for "features" of the like that are of dubious value.

AirPods have no way to stream lossless music, so you didn't mention that feature (yet they sell it with Apple music). It does exist in competing implementation of wireless earbuds. I guess when Apple do finally implement the feature you will care about that.

You went on and listed an arbitrary set of features and use that as a rationalization of your choice. Just like a hiring agent crafting a job proposal that could possibly only be met by one specific individual.

It's your right, you can make whatever choice you want and be happy with them. However, you can't argue they are inherently better than some other choice that would offer a different set of features, especially not without putting everything into the pricing context.

Apple Airpods are ok. For the price they are sold at they are very mediocre and the "features" they market as something customers should care about really do not pass the sniff test. Its ok if that's what you prefer, but you can't claim there are no other options that can provide a similar if not better experience. Of course, requiring a perfect 1 to 1 equivalency will get you nowhere...

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by Supermancho »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #137
Supermancho wrote: post #89

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> If it's true they colluded to remove ads from Apple pages on Amazon Amazon is not the only company to do this. Not sure how reducing ads is problematic. Amazon doesn't have to show ads it doesn't want to.

Reducing ads isn't a problem, but showing ads that are for counterfeits alongside most companies is, especially when you could remove the ads counterfeits but only over that as a service for Apple Computers. At that point they're choosing to profit off counterfeits. Which we know they do, but here they're effectively admitting it.

I don't believe that's the situation.

> Apple's latest products directly sold by Amazon have a much cleaner page layout on Amazon with no ads or recommendations until the very bottom of the page

This is not an agreement to "remove junk ads". AMZ is not showing ads for a large part of the page when an Apple product is the focus...probably in relevant searches? but certainly on a product display page. Again, this is the case for Apple products on other vendor sites, as well.

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