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Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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Post by red-iron-pine »

csomar wrote: post #164
Zagitta wrote: post #133

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Have you not heard of remote-id? It's a legal requirement for drones above 250g to broadcast not only their position but also the position of the operator and their identification number.

Yeah, I am pretty sure the people of Hamas are following the guidelines and have satisfied all of the regulatory requirements before flying their small grenade carry-on drones.

I'm pretty sure the people of Hamas aren't flying drones in Cleveland.

And the FCC is pretty damn ruthless about finding and triangulating signals that don't comply with their rules.

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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Post by red-iron-pine »

marfil wrote: post #104
justrealist wrote: post #94

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Debt does not stop you from leaving, if you have a second passport.

US is one of the only countries in the world where you still have to pay US taxes no matter where you live or work and what passports you have, as long as you are a US citizen, and you can't give up US citizenship, which is also a paid process, unless you've paid all taxes.

But you said you're European. Are you a US citizen?

You can renounce a citizenship. They added an exit-fee recently. Plus if you've been living in the US working for a US company you've been paying taxes, no?

Or else you're under the table and not paying taxes, in which case this is all moot.

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

23B1 wrote: post #170
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #109

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> You are incorrect that there's no infra to secure people with clearances I'm not. If there was, their data wouldn't be lumped in with everyone else when it's leaked/hacked from all these large different organizations. > WRT your second point, 'all the data is out there' is an awful argument. It's a fact. You won't be able to remove that stuff now that it's out. IT's somewhat an instance of the Streisand effect. Num…

> If there was, their data wouldn't be lumped in with everyone else You're giving the World's Largest And Most Ineffective Bureaucracy far too much agency. > You won't be able to remove that stuff now that it's out Who said it needs to be removed in order to secure these servicemembers' identities? > That's not any kind of solution It's the only solution that will work; to treat it as a constiutional mandate. It's on…

> You're giving the World's Largest And Most Ineffective Bureaucracy far too much agency.

Not really sure what you're saying here.

I'll just reiterate my point. If there were any real measures in place to protect the data of specific individuals, their data wouldn't be winding up in hacked databases all over the web.

> Who said it needs to be removed in order to secure these servicemembers' identities?

That's what your previous comment seemed to imply. If that wasn't your point, what was your point?

> It's the only solution that will work; to treat it as a constiutional mandate.

Orrrr you could just have a privacy act like California, Europe and numerous other reasonable states have. It has nothing to do with the constitution or foreign trading in particular.

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Post by oaththrowaway »

defrost wrote: post #147
oaththrowaway wrote: post #113

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Depending on the state yeah

I hear the US has more than one state and open inter state borders though ... Kind of undercuts the whole some states have really good gun laws argument.

Why do the states with "good" gun laws have worse gun violence?

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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Post by 23B1 »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #173
23B1 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If there was, their data wouldn't be lumped in with everyone else You're giving the World's Largest And Most Ineffective Bureaucracy far too much agency. > You won't be able to remove that stuff now that it's out Who said it needs to be removed in order to secure these servicemembers' identities? > That's not any kind of solution It's the only solution that will work; to treat it as a constiutional mandate. It's on…

> You're giving the World's Largest And Most Ineffective Bureaucracy far too much agency. Not really sure what you're saying here. I'll just reiterate my point. If there were any real measures in place to protect the data of specific individuals, their data wouldn't be winding up in hacked databases all over the web. > Who said it needs to be removed in order to secure these servicemembers' identities? That's what yo…

> Not really sure what you're saying here.

That's pretty clear, friendo. I can't do you thinking for you, but there's plenty of ways to mitigate risk and protect identities beyond deletion of the data.

> Orrrr you could just have a privacy act like California

We agree on this, except it should be at the federal level because privacy is a natural human right that should be enshrined in our most influential and powerful laws.

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

23B1 wrote: post #175
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're giving the World's Largest And Most Ineffective Bureaucracy far too much agency. Not really sure what you're saying here. I'll just reiterate my point. If there were any real measures in place to protect the data of specific individuals, their data wouldn't be winding up in hacked databases all over the web. > Who said it needs to be removed in order to secure these servicemembers' identities? That's what yo…

> Not really sure what you're saying here. That's pretty clear, friendo. I can't do you thinking for you, but there's plenty of ways to mitigate risk and protect identities beyond deletion of the data. > Orrrr you could just have a privacy act like California We agree on this, except it should be at the federal level because privacy is a natural human right that should be enshrined in our most influential and powerfu…

> That's pretty clear, friendo. I can't do you thinking for you

Sigh. No need for your condescension. You're making poor points and defending them even worse. I'm asking you to be clearer and support your arguments.

The problem isn't with me, but your lack of clear communication.

So far, based on your replies and refusal to clarify and elaborate, the only reasonable conclusion is you don't really know what you're talking about.

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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Post by micromacrofoot »

wutwutwat wrote: post #138
micromacrofoot wrote: post #131

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> could make the range limitless do you have an infinite battery technology? no one's crossing international borders with diy assassin drones unless it's like a mile across the canadian or mexican border — much easier to just shoot someone

I meant wireless range to control it, not fuel/battery range. You're assuming they intend to fly the drone across an ocean or something to hit a target. We don't fly predator drones across the ocean either, they are transported somewhere via other means, and then deployed to the area needed in a way they have the range to actually hit their target. Leaving something on a building rooftop and flying back home to later…

yes, but there's always some trail this way... travel logs, mailing logs, someone there to set it up, etc

again, just easier to shoot someone... we don't need to make up imaginary drone violence, there's not much reason for it outside of a warzone

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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Post by 23B1 »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #176
23B1 wrote: post #175

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> Not really sure what you're saying here. That's pretty clear, friendo. I can't do you thinking for you, but there's plenty of ways to mitigate risk and protect identities beyond deletion of the data. > Orrrr you could just have a privacy act like California We agree on this, except it should be at the federal level because privacy is a natural human right that should be enshrined in our most influential and powerfu…

> That's pretty clear, friendo. I can't do you thinking for you Sigh. No need for your condescension. You're making poor points and defending them even worse. I'm asking you to be clearer and support your arguments. The problem isn't with me, but your lack of clear communication. So far, based on your replies and refusal to clarify and elaborate, the only reasonable conclusion is you don't really know what you're tal…

Very sorry to let you down.

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

23B1 wrote: post #178
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #176

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> That's pretty clear, friendo. I can't do you thinking for you Sigh. No need for your condescension. You're making poor points and defending them even worse. I'm asking you to be clearer and support your arguments. The problem isn't with me, but your lack of clear communication. So far, based on your replies and refusal to clarify and elaborate, the only reasonable conclusion is you don't really know what you're tal…

Very sorry to let you down.

No worries buddy. I'm on here for for intelligent in-depth discussions. I tried my best to have one with you but if you can't articulate your points clearly and lack knowledge of the subject matter being discussed, that attempt was doomed from the start.

My mistake, I should have known better from your first reply.

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

wutwutwat wrote: post #127
23B1 wrote: post #89

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The reason is twofold: 1. Servicemembers hold security clearances and thus access to critical things. 2. Leaked PII is a national security threat. This report, I'd argue, is good 'marketing' for the very real need for privacy protections nationwide. The U.S. military is, despite its best efforts, still an admired and respected institution.

Our nation allows private companies to SELL PII. Our nation utilizes the availability of said PII to build their own spying apparatus. Law Enforcement uses harvested location data to track people without any warrants or due process. You are ignoring huge parts of reality to be able to say those 2 points above.

That user you are replying to seems to make a lot of claims and refuses to clarify or support anything. Very little real world knowledge it seems like.

There is nothing in place to stop people collecting and selling data of any American personnel, and a large market that thrives on it. At the moment sensitive US people, cops, special ops people, judges, whoever, they are just as susceptible to having their data sold as joe schmo.

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