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Cooking and bird safety

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Re: Cooking and bird safety

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I love my Lodge but modern cast irons like Lodge can never get that true non-stick texture that people talk about, although it can reach a not bad level [1] [1] https://www.seriouseats.com/the-truth-about-cast-iron#toc-my...

You can sand them as a DIY project. I haven’t done this myself but am now considering it after reading how easy it is.

Just wear a respirator if you do, that dust isn’t good for you :)

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We use seasoned cast iron for eggs with very few issues. We used to use butter which led to some sticking, however recently we've been using olive oil and it's much better, with little to no sticking depending on what style we're cooking the eggs.

Wow I've had the opposite experience with my lodge cast iron pan. Butter is the only thing that allows my eggs to not stick. Olive oil and vegetable oils in general cause more sticking. Maybe we preheat our pans differently? Do you use very low heat but preheat for a longer time?

No love for shortening, lard, or good old bacon grease (if you're eating eggs you're likely eating bacon as well)?

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Hm. My cast-iron skillet I've used for 20 years doesn't stick. Ever. If there's a little stuck-on stuff on the bottom after use (should have put a little wine in there, gotten that flavor back into the dish, oh well) then a Scotch-brite bad and 30 seconds fixes it.

FYI scotch-brite pads are plastic and shed microplastics into your pan. As a replacement, there are coconut fiber based pads that work better actually.

I mean, you'd typically rinse it pretty thouroughly, I doubt a lot of micro anything remains. I'm not sure pan cleaning is a significant source of overall micro plastics emissions, though I'm open to it.

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That's a clickbait title, the article implies that a lot of kitchen fumes are toxic to birds and that can include fumes released when a skillet is left on the stove with nothing in it. It could me that teflon is worse than everything else, but there is not enough information to reach this conclusion. Would a plastic handle melting and burning on the stove be better? Chili fumes of strengths that make humans cough and…

This article from Teflon.com is not clickbait, they’re just massively underselling the risk of fluorocarbons to birds. Burning a teflon pan will straight up kill any birds in your home. It’s not a minor irritant like onions, you can’t just crack a window to let the fumes out, if they’re exposed they’ll start having seizures within minutes and be dead before you could get them to a vet (not that there’s really anything that could be done).

Just as a general rule birds are delicate, there’s a lot given up to allow for flight. Teflon is somewhat risky for humans too but it’s not remotely on the same scale.

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I wonder how, it's not supposed to react with anything? Clearly that's not actually true. And if so, what else we know about it isn't?

Teflon heated above around 300C releases toxic gases as it breaks down. That is what this article is referring to.

Toxic only to birds of course. Because we can trust chemicals companies when they tell us to relax :)

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Everyone here be talking about cookware where increasingly teflon is getting produced via gore-tex and going into higher end products for companies like Vans, Nike and Adidas as a waterproof feature.

Increasingly? It's been there for decades.

This "article" is specifically about overheating teflon-coated cookware, and nothing else. (Sure hope your shoes are not on fire!)

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Lots of things about cooking are risky. If you ask one by one if that's really worth risking, it's tempting to say no every time, and then there's almost nothing left. It doesn't work to treat risk as a binary factor.

I think the Teflon question is different though. It is like lead in a sense, we know it is carcinogenic, just like we know lead is a neuro-poison. The only question is whether we are doing good enough job at preventing it from leaking into our bodies. With lead, a lot of people thought so, but still they put it in our gasoline, in solder for our water pipes, etc. and a lot of people got some pretty bad neuro-developm…

We do not know that PTFE is carcinogenic. Some of the products that can be used to make it are, but they should not be in the final product, if they are it's a manufacturing defect.

We also know that using more oil in cooking is bad, and who knows what results from the incomplete polymerization of oil and carbonized food. I'm at least as suspicious of it as I am of Teflon.

Re: Cooking and bird safety

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Just to birds, of course. We have nothing to worry about until 15 years from now that we learn burning teflon causes some poorly understood conditions the maker knew about all along. Ban it already. https://theintercept.com/series/the-teflon-toxin/

What could be a better alternative to non-stick pans?

Re: Cooking and bird safety

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Teflon heated above around 300C releases toxic gases as it breaks down. That is what this article is referring to.

Toxic only to birds of course. Because we can trust chemicals companies when they tell us to relax :)

They're toxic to humans as well, just far less. Under no circumstance should you allow PTFE pan to exceed 250C, as the manufacturer normally tells you to.
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