Totally insanity.
Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU
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Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU
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I love how these bad faith questions aren’t even tolerated here anymore. You know exactly why people aren’t comfortable with this, and if you weren’t a quick Google would enlighten you. But you 100% are.
It's most interesting which HN comment threads garner high quality analytical comments and which descend into chaotic bickering and hair-splitting. This is a particularly poor one. Someone mentioned "poisoning the well" earlier. I sense a lot of that and like you I am struck by the prevalence of whataboutism and bad faith questions in this thread, particularly low quality leading questions relentlessly sealioning in…
They are poisoning the well. It's worked for two decades on 4ch, it works everywhere else too.
Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU
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What you are asking for is the ability to sell your right to privacy. Laws generally don't allow you to sell or otherwise relinquish your rights, eg. selling your vote or selling yourself into slavery or accepting licenses in conflict with rights granted by local consumer laws. Some things we don't want assigned a value that can be traded. The EU has decided that the right to privacy includes not being tracked on the…
But as you say, they aren't asking you to give up your rights (because of the 'or pay money' clause). You can just stop using it. If you want to use it and not give up rights, pay money. What is wrong with that?
It does not work like that, the country made some laws. For example what safety rules does the car have to follow to be legal in us. You cannot just say, if you don't like that the car does not have a backup camera doesn't use it.
Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU
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I have a hard time believing Facebook is tracking it's customers through CCTV. In any case even if they are I still don't care because they're not tracking me. Know why - it's easy, I just don't use Facebook. People who complain about Facebook collecting their information all the while continuing to use Facebook are not victims - they're just complainers. If stopping it is as simple as logging off forever and people…
That's not exactly true. Using tracking pixels and third-party scripts and cookies, it's simple to track you as a unique entity. No logon necessary. A step further- associating this entity with your identity is trivial with access to additional information. For example, a tagged photo or contact info uploaded by the friend or family member who uses the same networks or devices you do. Maybe you have yourself sufficie…
Mine phone number is mine. A friend who has my number in the contact list is not in the position to give consent to the number. They would need consent from the friend to read their contact list, and then consent from each person on the list, before they can legally use their number.
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But as you say, they aren't asking you to give up your rights (because of the 'or pay money' clause). You can just stop using it. If you want to use it and not give up rights, pay money. What is wrong with that?
I don't agree - you can't just stop using it. Given the size of facebook (or google, amazon, microsoft, apple etc), they are ingrained in our (tech) life in such a way that one has to invest a - not negligible - amount of work to stop using them. To sum it up: companies want to have "power", but without having "responsibility".
You can. It's almost quite literally an effort of 30 - 60 min per day or week or month, depending on how skilled you are at keeping things convenient, meaning self-hosting services and maintaining them.
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> Also, if Facebook's users were all paying for it (and all its competitors), there would be no advertising on it, Ah yes, much like how cable TV has no ads on it, right? Or newspapers. Or how Microsoft Windows has no ads on it because you paid for the OS? Or like how smart TVs aren't spying on you because you bought them… If there's money to be made by spying and putting ads, it will be done, no matter if you pay fo…
With cable you’re paying the cable company, not the content provides. For that you’d have to pay the stations as well. Similar to Netflix, pay for your network, and pay the content provider.
That's exactly the kind of BS Facebook would say to defend their ads for paying customers as well: “you're paying for the portal, not for the feed, the ads pay for the feed” or something like that.
In fact, I'm pretty sure Google will eventually do this for premium after some time: “you're paying the platform, ads are paying the content creators ”.
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> Why are people so vehemently oppose to being shown ads that are actually relevant to them on ad-supported platforms? speaking only for myself, two reasons: 1. they don't show me relevant ads. I would honestly fill out surveys for them to show me relevant ads, but they still won't, just like Netflix and Amazon won't restrain themselves from showing me the same screens full of movies and TV that I will never watch. I…
> hot javascript and flashing lights. I really don't think we're using the same Facebook. Facebook's ads are tiles in the feeds, they're very occasional ads that play after a video when you're in their video section, they're an occasional sponsored Reel that you can just swipe past, and they're a 0.75cm tall strip of products (I get Nordstrom) across the bottom of a playing Reel. Of all the advertising platforms, thi…
you are on to something: I have never used Facebook even for a second, except to click inbound links and discover they won't let me use Facebook without signing up.
Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU
#179I translated this text to English and what I don't understand is they talk about the Norwegian Data Protection Authority, quickly say something about European Privacy Council, and then go on telling:
> "The Norwegian Privacy Council's decision is an instruction to the Irish Data Protection Authority to place a permanent ban on Meta's European head office in Ireland. Once this has happened, the ban will come into effect."
Either Norway is banning something on their own, or they follow EU regulations, but I don't think a 'Norwegian ban gets extended to here and there'. I have the feeling stuff gets mixed up a little here.
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The one about pop is funny. I am quite fond of Pepsi Zero Sugar, and it’s the only one I don’t personally see ads for. Weird. Never thought of it until you mentioned it. I seriously see ads for Starry and Coke constantly.
Isn't that the right choice for the advertisers? Pepsi knows you're in the bag and Coke wants to change your mind. Try drinking Coke for a year to see if the advertisers flip :)
yeah, I'm not saying advertisers don't know what they're doing, just why I don't want to watch their ads, which somebody up above called "relevant".