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California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

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Re: California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

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My biggest expense being remote is that I need an extra room for my office. Besides that, that would probably be heating in winter and electricity, but these are small compared to the cost of an extra room.

If you have the extra room already then you're probably already using it as a den anyways. But if you don't then you're not likely to move and incur the extra expense of having an extra room -- work from office is definitely for you then.

Re: California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

#172

My personal red line is when the employer insists a camera has to always be on in the working area. That's when I tell 'em, as nicely as possible, with an "aw shucks I'm terribly sorry", that they're gonna have to pay rent.

just wear an AZ wildcats shirt and loop the video feed?

Re: California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

#173
post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Entirely possible. Presumably most people who wear uniforms don't itemize deductions today in any case. The broader point was that people get various random perks that don't get taxed and have various expenses that don't get reimbursed/deducted.

Credit card points aren't taxable because they fall under the IRS rebate rule. They're treated like a coupon. Earning and spending frequent flyer miles is approximately equivalent, from the perspective of the IRS, to a 20% off bread coupon at your grocery store. It doesn't change your point of course, I just find it interesting.

I expect it's one of those utterly unenforceable small-scale things that the IRS, at some point, decided to twist some logical reasoning around why it wasn't even going to try to enforce.

Re: California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

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Many young people or those cheering for employee/consumer rights do not seem to understand that this does more net harm than good. For small businesses and startups, this can amount to millions of dollars of additional expenses. Like any economically rational entity, your employer is going to respond by reducing headcount, not hiring in CA anymore, cutting costs in your annual raises, or some combination of the above…

And moreso than even the additional expenses, the expense of tracking these expenses for a small company is non-insigificant. There's the cost of the expense tracking software, setting up rules for what can be expensed, figuring out what this new law requires, and having someone approve those expenses.

The simple solution for fully remote companies is to just exclude CA residents.

Re: California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

#176

Many young people or those cheering for employee/consumer rights do not seem to understand that this does more net harm than good. For small businesses and startups, this can amount to millions of dollars of additional expenses. Like any economically rational entity, your employer is going to respond by reducing headcount, not hiring in CA anymore, cutting costs in your annual raises, or some combination of the above…

This might give businesses the ammo they need to require the employees to come into the office.

This law has been in effect for years.

Re: California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’ll start being asked for utility bills during interviews and recruiters will screen for people with heat pumps. “Candidate must have updated insulation and new windows”

Seems pretty dystopian, but on the bright side it does reward the ecologically responsible I guess.

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Re: California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

#178
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you're going to pay for an extra room--which seems very unlikely (or should be) to be reimbursable as opposed to working on the kitchen table--the actual incremental costs seem pretty trivial. Even if you reimburse some pro-rated amount of internet and/or mobile, that's maybe $100/month in the US. ADDED: If you don't have an option to go into an office, a stipend for a co-working space may be reasonable.

There’s these things called home offices and many have converted a room to be one when working from home all the time.

A home office costs you hundreds extra per month, at least in my market (London). I work in the corner of our bedroom right now. My girlfriend works in a corner of the living room.

Re: California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

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Many young people or those cheering for employee/consumer rights do not seem to understand that this does more net harm than good. For small businesses and startups, this can amount to millions of dollars of additional expenses. Like any economically rational entity, your employer is going to respond by reducing headcount, not hiring in CA anymore, cutting costs in your annual raises, or some combination of the above…

This might give businesses the ammo they need to require the employees to come into the office.

They are required to pay all the necessary expenses in the office too.
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