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Shadow: New browser engine made almost entirely in JavaScript

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Re: Shadow: New browser engine made almost entirely in JavaScript

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> it will mean the end of high-quality free services So be it. If those services can't survive without ads and surveillance capitalism, they don't deserve to exist.

I guess we disagree on whether advertising goods and services to people should be considered a crime.

Advertising no. Tracking individuals and building profiles about them across the web, much less clear, probably yes.

Re: Shadow: New browser engine made almost entirely in JavaScript

#172

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> it will mean the end of high-quality free services So be it. If those services can't survive without ads and surveillance capitalism, they don't deserve to exist.

I guess we disagree on whether advertising goods and services to people should be considered a crime.

We do. I think advertising of all kinds should be illegal. I consider it to be a form of mind rape when they forcibly insert their brands and products into my mind without my consent.

Re: Shadow: New browser engine made almost entirely in JavaScript

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> Deliver your site only to the "inner browser" (that the user has no control over because it's heavily obfuscated and tricked-out with anti-debugging code) and you eliminate all ad blockers. Throw some DNS-over-HTTPS w/ certificate pinning in for good measure and you kill DNS-based ad blockers too. I'm confused how the "inner browser" meaningfully helps you accomplish this. How is this any easier or more effective t…

> I'm confused how the "inner browser" meaningfully helps you accomplish this. Right not it is not hard to write an adblocker, just block network requests and DOM elements (regardless of whom hosts of proxies them). A browser in a browser would make blocking dom as hard as attaching a debugger and manipulating a price that has been hardened. Network requests may still be able to be blocked, but it is going to make ad…

Would be amazing for advertisers but no users would visit the site.

Re: Shadow: New browser engine made almost entirely in JavaScript

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Why do people love JavaScript and want everything written in it?

It's relatively easy and omnipresent. Arguably the only indispensable programming language, at least for the foreseeable future.

> Arguably the only indispensable programming language.

I'd put my money on C, almost everything is bootstrapped from it.

Forth is a another candidate if you'd have to build everything yourself.

Re: Shadow: New browser engine made almost entirely in JavaScript

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Hopefully that will be literally illegal due to accessibility concerns. Doesn't matter either way. Can't wait for AI-powered ad blocking. Just imagine it. AI parses content and filters out ads, brands, even subtle PR text from pages automatically. Not just textual content either. It also kills ads in audio, video, images. If I can imagine it, it must be possible. I'm sure someone much smarter than me will create this…

If AI-powered ad blocking becomes ubiquitous, it will mean the end of high-quality free services like Google Search, Gmail, Google Maps, Google Translate and YouTube, for all of which I much prefer to pay with my attention rather than cold, hard cash. I have no doubt that current AI is capable of this (in fact I'm sure it would be trivial for GPT-3.5 and well within reach of even locally-run LLMs), the question is wh…

There is no such thing as a high quality ad supported service. Ads make the user experience worse in every single circumstance.

I forget how bad Google Search is until I get a new computer/phone without ad blocking enabled

Re: Shadow: New browser engine made almost entirely in JavaScript

#177

There's a product here that's been waiting to happen for awhile. I've been anticipating somebody cross-compiling another browser engine to WASM but this works, too. Deliver your site only to the "inner browser" (that the user has no control over because it's heavily obfuscated and tricked-out with anti-debugging code) and you eliminate all ad blockers. Throw some DNS-over-HTTPS w/ certificate pinning in for good meas…

I need someone much smarter and more willing to engage on this issue to explain this remark or set it straight, pretty please and pretty-thank-you in advance

Re: Shadow: New browser engine made almost entirely in JavaScript

#178

There's a product here that's been waiting to happen for awhile. I've been anticipating somebody cross-compiling another browser engine to WASM but this works, too. Deliver your site only to the "inner browser" (that the user has no control over because it's heavily obfuscated and tricked-out with anti-debugging code) and you eliminate all ad blockers. Throw some DNS-over-HTTPS w/ certificate pinning in for good meas…

> Deliver your site only to the "inner browser" (that the user has no control over because it's heavily obfuscated and tricked-out with anti-debugging code) and you eliminate all ad blockers. Throw some DNS-over-HTTPS w/ certificate pinning in for good measure and you kill DNS-based ad blockers too. I'm confused how the "inner browser" meaningfully helps you accomplish this. How is this any easier or more effective t…

Render the inner browser on canvas. Good luck with blocking anything, it's just a picture.

Re: Shadow: New browser engine made almost entirely in JavaScript

#179

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If AI-powered ad blocking becomes ubiquitous, it will mean the end of high-quality free services like Google Search, Gmail, Google Maps, Google Translate and YouTube, for all of which I much prefer to pay with my attention rather than cold, hard cash. I have no doubt that current AI is capable of this (in fact I'm sure it would be trivial for GPT-3.5 and well within reach of even locally-run LLMs), the question is wh…

There is no such thing as a high quality ad supported service. Ads make the user experience worse in every single circumstance. I forget how bad Google Search is until I get a new computer/phone without ad blocking enabled

All of the services I mentioned are either directly (Search) or indirectly ad-supported, the latter insofar as Google pays for their development and upkeep somehow, and most of Google's revenue comes from ads. And I think they are all of excellent quality.

Ads are irritating, and Google is not supplying these services out of the goodness of their heart, but I think there's no question that the world is a better place with these ad-supported services in it.

Re: Shadow: New browser engine made almost entirely in JavaScript

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I guess we disagree on whether advertising goods and services to people should be considered a crime.

We do. I think advertising of all kinds should be illegal. I consider it to be a form of mind rape when they forcibly insert their brands and products into my mind without my consent.

> mind rape

I'll bite. Is hearing or seeing any idea that you have not previously consented to likewise mind rape?

If not, where do you personally draw the line? And, just as importantly, who do you feel should get to decide in the general case?

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