Like too much the idea. If they manage to do get an IBM mainframe level after-sales support, they will rock. Does someone know how much the lowest level box costs?
Some comments up-thread suggested 500k.
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#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly, man! That's the way it should be done. It's not a company's business to decide how much your life should cost. It's its business to reward you for the value you provide, and that value is not tethered to your location, so neither should be your salary!
Except if everyone gets paid the same, you're not being rewarded for the value you provide. I don't think salary should be tied to location, but it should be tied to experience, ability, and effort.
You raise an important point. There's certainly multiple ways to look at it.
The egalitarian way where a business can divide the share of revenue that is allocated for salary equally, no matter the role. This makes sense from a philosophy of everybody being a team and contributing equally to the results of the company. It can foster an esprit de corps and and a sense of fairness. On the negative side it could encourage companies to have more burdensome measures of fairness and contribution, and lead to resentment towards colleagues who don't pull their weight.
Then there's the other method, where a value-based salary is allocated to each employee taking into account their experience, ability and effort. Crucially, however, this salary is not adjusted for location. That's the case to which I was speaking, specifically, even tho the type used by 0xide is clearly the egalitarian one.
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#173I'm a bit confused about them calling it a cloud computer. The primary benefit of cloud is you spend opex instead of capex. Isn't this moving back to capex again?
Ya, in the past the messaging was more like "get the ergonomics of the cloud with the economics of owning your own hardware", I think it's confusing to just call it a "cloud computer"
Yes - that makes loads more sense to me. It's cool that you can spin stuff up and it's all integrated with the hardware - having seen fairly large VMWare installations and all the faff it takes to make them work, this seems really useful. I just don't think it's the same as the cloud, and the article seems to discount the main reason for the cloud: opex, letting you get started (and stopped) quickly and cheaply.
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What makes you think so? According to their website, the compute bit is based on AMD EPYC 7713P CPUs. I can buy these at my local electroncis retailer. So pretty much commodity x86.
The CPUs are x64 but the architecture is not that of a PC, there is no BIOS, etc. You couldn't boot Windows or Linux on the bare metal. The hardware, firmware and hypervisor are custom built for control, safety and observability. On top of that, the application OS all run on VMs which _do_ have a (virtual) PC architecture.
To me as a casual outside observer, the fact that they're using hardware virtualization at the top of the stack, after bcantrill gave so many talks about running containers on bare metal, is the most disappointing part. They could have had unbroken control and observability from the bottom of the stack all the way to the top. They got so close!
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#175I'd like to add that their open source code is also EXTREMELY high quality. If you're an embedded developer go take a look at Hubris and Humility. I ended up using those to GREAT effect for this custom one-off aerospace device and it was a fantastic experience to integrate with. Definitely a change from what I was used to that took a bit of getting used to.
> I'd like to add that their open source code is also EXTREMELY high quality.
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#176This is too startup-y and niche and too small to attract enough companies on the market. Best case this gets acquired by HP,IBM or Dell and will die out because talent will leave. I know a 4bn/y revenue company that could greatly benefit from this but they will never even consider buying from a company like this.
The value proposition might be worth the downside risk
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#177feels a lot like those vblock /converged infrastructure in a box things they used to push. Turnkey virtualization environment - I guess the advantage/? here is a open source stack.
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#178Like too much the idea. If they manage to do get an IBM mainframe level after-sales support, they will rock. Does someone know how much the lowest level box costs?
Some comments up-thread suggested 500k.
Yeah, I read ... just "wow". I hoped something more affordable, or even something more flexible like "you get the full rack, but you are enabled to use only x % of the capacity for a lower entry price".
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
So just hyperconverged infrastructure with a cute name?
Mainframes!
With source code availability: https://github.com/oxidecomputer
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
The site is really hard to navigate. I eventually looked at the footer and found a link to the technical specifications https://oxide.computer/product/specifications They give an idea of the beast, especially the dimensions and weight Dimensions H x W x D 2354mm (92.7") x 600mm (23.7”) x 1060mm (41.8") Weight Up to ~2,518 lbs (~1,145 kg) It's a rack. BTW, they are following some no pictures policy. I found only a few…
Literally on the main page: https://oxide.computer/
Can you link the picture? I only see renderings on the main page.