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Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by rewmie »

LeafItAlone wrote: post #148
rewmie wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think that estimate takes into account the power savings (...) I don't think this is relevant. RPis cost is a critical factor in it's usefulness as a disposable toy computing platform, not web servers that need to run 24/7. Moreover, that cost is further worsened by the need to buy a custom power supply.

I have two RPi 4s that run 24/7 that I will likely replace with a 5. > Moreover, that cost is further worsened by the need to buy a custom power supply. But you don’t need to?

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From RPi5's FAQ:

> Raspberry Pi 5 is a higher-performance computer than Raspberry Pi 4, and you may have problems using an under-powered supply. We recommend a high-quality 5V 5A USB-C power supply, such as the new Raspberry Pi 27W USB-C Power Supply.

As mentioned in a previous HN discussion, not only was RPi5 designed to require a nonstandard power supply, the official "high-quality" power supply for the RPi4 is also considerably underpowered at 15W at 5.1V-3A[1] while RPi5 stands at 27W at 5V-5A.

[1] https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/type-c-power-supply/

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by yding »

I’m going to be a contrarian and say that I really appreciate that they went for a high performing/more expensive SoC this time.

When I had to buy a SBC last time I couldn’t bring myself to get the Pi 4 because it was missing core features (4K HDR decode) vs the alternatives. But I love the community around Raspberry Pi and it’ll definitely increase my options with this SBC.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by eropple »

rjsw wrote: post #121
eropple wrote: post #47

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I have both two OPi5's and an OPi5 Plus, and honestly? It's not a problem. Armbian support's there and is emphatically Good Enough for the 90%+ case. They're excellent boards. If you want to talk about bad support, let's talk about something like the NanoPi R5 series. Oof.

What is wrong with NanoPi? I was thinking of getting an R6C to use for RK3588 development.

The vendor OS is clunky and weird, Armbian doesn't have support (for the R5C at least), it doesn't have NVMe support (only a wireless m.2), flashing the eMMC is really weird...I wouldn't buy another NanoPi. I quite like the Orange Pi 5's for RK3588 boards though.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by HankB99 »

MisterTea wrote: post #96
VikingCoder wrote: post #54

Can I please have a Raspberry Pi 500? I like the idea of the Pi 400 - a computer inside a keyboard. And I'm looking forward to having a Pi 5 inside one. Anyone know when I can buy one of these for my daughter?

If a Pi 500 were to be made it should be a carrier case for the Pi5 compute module. The Pi as a keyboard form factor is too limiting.

Agreed, mostly because I'm looking forward to the CM5. But I do have a Pi 5 on pre-ordered along with the official wall wort and the active cooler. I skipped the case because I'm thinking about a Flirc and wondering if Coolermaster will bring out a Pi 5 version of their 4B case.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by nanidin »

joshstrange wrote: post #29

And they are promptly out of stock, I assume. I've owned every Raspberry Pi since the first one but I think the 4 was my last one. They are fun to tinker with with but not great for long-term use in my experience. I felt like I had to babysit it way too often, it absolutely wasn't a "setup an forgot" device, again in my experience. It'd be rock solid for 2-3 months then randomly stop working, rinse and repeat. A litt…

Interesting, my experience with pihole has been basically set it and forget it for several years now.

With BirdNET-pi, I have had a few hiccups due to the SD cards getting worn out from constant writing.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by ThatPlayer »

eropple wrote: post #47
bhouston wrote: post #22

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Orange PI 5 Plus is faster (10% faster single threaded, 200% faster multicore per Geekbench) and also supports up to 32GB of memory. It has decent support, but not anything like the Raspberry Pi ecosystem. So if you want a SBC that is fast for special well defined projects, go with Orange PI 5 Plus, but if you want one for arbitrary hobby projects with tons of support everywhere, go with the Raspberry Pi series.

I have both two OPi5's and an OPi5 Plus, and honestly? It's not a problem. Armbian support's there and is emphatically Good Enough for the 90%+ case. They're excellent boards. If you want to talk about bad support, let's talk about something like the NanoPi R5 series. Oof.

The big current issue that prevents me from using my boards is lack of GPU drivers. Armbian has instructions on how to use the panfork fork, but even those are not good. The panfrost team definitely do good work, so I have high hopes for future drivers. Especially with desktop OpenGL support that the rPis never got.

So I do have a rPi 5 ordered because they've advertised full upstreamed mesa Vulkan support on release. Maybe desktop OpenGL via Zink on top of Vulkan will be good enough.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by mike_d »

turtlebits wrote: post #139
benterix wrote: post #63

I'm sorry but it got too expensive and hence lost its main advantage. These days I use second-hand desktop mini-pcs that cost minimally more than the full Rpi set (charger, CD card, case, SBC) but are much more powerful. For anything involving WiFi/IoT, I use ESP32 - far less expensive and very easy to use. And for cases where WiFi is not needed, we have tons of interesting solutions and few reasons to use the Pi.

The main advantage of the Pi is the ecosystem and availability/consistency, not the price. The hardware is known and well documented has the best OS support. If I have issues, I can just move the SD card to another one, or just reflash another SD with 0 downtime or fuss.

> The main advantage of the Pi is the ecosystem and availability

Availability is a big oof. We learned over the past few years that you shouldn't build anything of any importance on top of RPi because when manufacturing crunches hit "hobbyist" products are first to be sidelined.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by LeafItAlone »

rewmie wrote: post #171
LeafItAlone wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have two RPi 4s that run 24/7 that I will likely replace with a 5. > Moreover, that cost is further worsened by the need to buy a custom power supply. But you don’t need to?

> From RPi5's FAQ: > Raspberry Pi 5 is a higher-performance computer than Raspberry Pi 4, and you may have problems using an under-powered supply. We recommend a high-quality 5V 5A USB-C power supply, such as the new Raspberry Pi 27W USB-C Power Supply. As mentioned in a previous HN discussion, not only was RPi5 designed to require a nonstandard power supply, the official "high-quality" power supply for the RPi4 is a…

Their FAQ is definitely unclear, but, as mentioned in a previous HN discussion, a 5V/3A is going to work fine for most workloads. They limit downstream USB current to 600mA. If you need the full 1.2A limit, you can buy their power supply, another (not common) one, or a powered USB hub.

5V/5A will also give you 5W extra power on the device for their high performance mode.

But again, it’s not necessary and most uses of a Pi will do fine with 5V/3A.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by LeafItAlone »

sgerenser wrote: post #168
LeafItAlone wrote: post #148

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I have two RPi 4s that run 24/7 that I will likely replace with a 5. > Moreover, that cost is further worsened by the need to buy a custom power supply. But you don’t need to?

Depends on what you’re doing with it. For many things it will run fine off of a 3A 5V supply, which almost any usb-c adapter will do. But as soon as you start hanging any USB devices off of it, IIRC you need a 5A/5V supply which is unusual outside of the RPi-specific one.

Yes, and it depends on the devices. 5V/3A will limit USB power to 600mA. Could also use a powered USB hub.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by nottorp »

jrockway wrote: post #117
fanf2 wrote: post #80

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Orange PI 5 Plus is about 2x the cost of Raspberry Pi 5.

The Orange Pi 5 has a very similar CPU and is comparable in cost. The Plus is the "premium" model with things like 2x 2.5G ethernet ports.

Wait wait wait. 2 LANs on PCIe? One M.2 slot on PCIe? And this works with armbian?

That's my new router board, if it works okay!

And... if i can buy it anywhere...

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