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Someone has a problem? I will bring my problem!
Oh yeah? My problem is bigger that your problem!
Shell using Fortnite, TikTok, etc. to convince kids fossil fuels are cool
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#172The youtube comments already down on the official Shell trailer for this don't bode well for this being a PR success: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_UuXnHvsIQ
Why the actual fucking fuck did Fortnite get in bed with these petro boomers?! Shell must be one of the brands farthest removed from the target demographic. I can't believe they need the cash that badly, and like you say, this can only backfire. Millions of views on that vid, almost no likes. I can't believe this exists, it's almost funny. Maybe they can do Depend Adult Undergarments branded content next.
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#173Fossil fuels are irreplaceable for what they offer at the price they ask. Don’t ask the West. Ask India that had the choice to leapfrog fossil fuels and be energy independent, at higher cost. People don’t care about our opinions. They want the cheapest options. The only way to transition out of fossils for energy, is to make the alternatives cheaper and easily accessible. US transitioned from coal to gas within 10 ye…
India and China are both investing heavily in renewables, this is a tired trope. Renewable energy is also cost effective compared to fossil fuels in many cases and has been for years. This also excludes the massive externalities of fossil fuels. True, making it cheaper is the best way, which should involve not subsidising fossil fuels and subsidising renewables. Alas, none of this has anything to do with fossil fuel…
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> I don't get easily offended, but I've honestly never seen anything more disgusting in my entire life. Try watching some documentaries about Tiananmen Square or Uyghurs. I am curious if this statement will still hold.
Someone has a problem? I will bring my problem!
But, the fact that I have a problem with this relativization of everything does not mean I think problems people do not consider "the most disgusting" should not be tackled.
Look at my country for example. Corruption in local government affects me more that what is going on in China. I can also fight it more that what is going on in China. And, in the end, I care about it more in the "daily on my mind" sense of the word. That does not mean I should label it as being objectively worse or "most disgusting ever".
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I get your point, but I think it's relative to the society which it takes place. Corruption in China? If anything, it's to be expected. It's a literal part of how their political system operates. Corruption in a liberal democracy? Much less acceptable. Of course, that's just one point of view. As for your comment about EVs, I don't necessarily disagree. My main outrage is that they used children to sell oil. As for y…
You'll never get what you need for EVs without child labor or extremely unhealthy work conditions. Roughnecks and engineers happily go to work to drill for the oil that runs society
On the contrary, oil is what's primarily funding the invasion of Ukraine. Think of all the people being killed as a result of that conflict. Or for the civil wars that oil ends up creating i.e. Sudan.
I think ultimately the point is that the 3rd world always loses in the end. They're the ones who suffer most from the ambitions of Western nations, irrespective of their intentions.
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I would love a petrol voucher. 90% of Australians have a car so it would be useful to pretty much anyone's family. It's also a somewhat inelastic good, meaning if I gave you a petrol voucher you probably wouldn't considerably change your driving habits. Maybe you would use it to go on an extra family trip, which yes gasoline bad, but it's not exactly conspicuous consumption. It would just give you some extra money in…
The petrol voucher isn't the primary issue. It's using children to sell the petrol voucher.
Let's be real here, if you object to youth directed marketing you should have been up in arms loooooong before now. Fact is targeting kids has been basic corporate strategy 101 for decades.
Tobacco in media. Coke/Pepsi. Cool cars, women, selling kids on "the Police are the good guys". In fact, your opinions about what is appropriate to shoehorn into children's formative years tends to say volumes more about what you are about than about anything else.
That being said, I agree the gas vouchers telegraph a blatant desperation move.
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problem is, unlike other issues that can have positive local impacts, the biggest downsides to climate change are global. doesn't really matter that as the US/EU our emissions have been flat for decades now if china and India are shooting up like crazy.
Well, yes it does. The USA is still the biggest polluter, even with 1/5 the population of China. Also, making the technology viable and proving it so is the only solution.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/271748/the-largest-emitt...
Sure, if you're talking per capita, US people emit more carbon dioxide but with your "even with 1/5th" and "the biggest polluter" it suggests you're thinking total not per capita.
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Well, yes it does. The USA is still the biggest polluter, even with 1/5 the population of China. Also, making the technology viable and proving it so is the only solution.
The US is not the largest GHG polluter. China is, by a large measure. https://www.statista.com/statistics/271748/the-largest-emitt... Sure, if you're talking per capita, US people emit more carbon dioxide but with your "even with 1/5th" and "the biggest polluter" it suggests you're thinking total not per capita.
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The petrol voucher isn't the primary issue. It's using children to sell the petrol voucher.
We're fine with letting Microsoft use them to sell Windows and Office licenses though (through schooling)? Or Google to acclimatize them cloud-first computing + having their data hoovered (also through schooling)? Let's be real here, if you object to youth directed marketing you should have been up in arms loooooong before now. Fact is targeting kids has been basic corporate strategy 101 for decades. Tobacco in media…
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Not with gasoline, but with disgusting ads.
I hate it when ads try to stop me from accidentally killing my baby