Part of the problem is government regulation. In some places, it's almost impossible to build new houses due to regulations. Some portion of the population wants to see house prices continue to increase and they will vote for politicians who will implement policies which will support that agenda. Of course this happens at the expense of another, also large portion of the population who do not own a house and have to…
The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
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Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
#172I moved to Portland a year ago. We certainly have a lot of homeless people, many of which are people caught up in the substance abuse cycle with particular drugs. However, one day I was driving back to East Portland, I drove under an underpass that's a particularly rough place. I saw a woman that looked to be my mom's age with what appeared to be a modern suit case, she was well dressed, and sober looking. The blood…
Demand in metropolitan areas has drastically outpaced supply. Because zoning laws prevent increasing density and because the government got out of the housing business and put it entirely in the hands of the private market which doesn't like entry level homes because the profit margins are less.
As the cost of housing increases relative to median income homelessness increases. It's basically a control knob.
Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most Metro areas do not have enough affordable housing. It's well established that local governments cannot build enough new affordable housing, partly because any contractor that bids goes way over the value of a private housing venture. The idea that there's enough housing but "in the wrong place" is like saying there's plenty of jobs, they're just in third world countries and Scandinavia. The idea that the solutio…
> Most Metro areas do not have enough affordable housing. There's no such thing as affordable housing[0]. Just housing. You can certainly argue that building a house is too expensive -- and due to NIMBYism, discriminatory policies, and anti-density regulatory environments, this is often true -- but affordability is not an intrinsic value of a building, and the problem is generally that housing stock simply doesn't ke…
Also, if you want to use it colloquially, then housing is, by definition, affordable for most of the people who live in housing and are not running a spending deficit.
Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
#174Part of the problem is government regulation. In some places, it's almost impossible to build new houses due to regulations. Some portion of the population wants to see house prices continue to increase and they will vote for politicians who will implement policies which will support that agenda. Of course this happens at the expense of another, also large portion of the population who do not own a house and have to…
The issue is not supply and demand for houses - there are plenty enough to go around (though often in the wrong place). The issue is that a sizeable underclass is being created that have no wealth, not least because what wealth they did have has been funnelled to the very wealthy. For example, medical bills. For example student loans. For example zero interest rates with zero wage inflation meaning accommodation cost…
Have you ever actually run the numbers to see how little each person would get if you did this?
> to those who had it stolen from them.
Talk about nailing your colors to the mast.
Who, exactly, stole what from whom, and when did this allegedly take place?
Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
#175"In a 2020 journal article for the American Society on Aging, Kushel wrote that of all the homeless single adults in the early 1990s, 11% were aged 50 and older. By 2003, she says that percentage grew to 37%." Society has been built for couples. With the major societal changes in the last 2 decades, we had an explosion of single people wanting to live alone, and the infrastructure is simply not prepared for it. My pa…
> because they were two working for a common goal. Same here, in a different Country, in a different Continent, on the other side of the Ocean. As you correctly point out, society was built for couples, not necessarily to build families, but sure enough not to live alone, or to use the modern periphrasis "as a single". The entire rhetoric "ok boomer" is missing the point entirely, boomers were obviously the first gen…
Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
The issue is not supply and demand for houses - there are plenty enough to go around (though often in the wrong place). The issue is that a sizeable underclass is being created that have no wealth, not least because what wealth they did have has been funnelled to the very wealthy. For example, medical bills. For example student loans. For example zero interest rates with zero wage inflation meaning accommodation cost…
Most Metro areas do not have enough affordable housing. It's well established that local governments cannot build enough new affordable housing, partly because any contractor that bids goes way over the value of a private housing venture. The idea that there's enough housing but "in the wrong place" is like saying there's plenty of jobs, they're just in third world countries and Scandinavia. The idea that the solutio…
Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Most Metro areas do not have enough affordable housing. There's no such thing as affordable housing[0]. Just housing. You can certainly argue that building a house is too expensive -- and due to NIMBYism, discriminatory policies, and anti-density regulatory environments, this is often true -- but affordability is not an intrinsic value of a building, and the problem is generally that housing stock simply doesn't ke…
That's a pithy, contrarian slogan, not a statement of fact. "Affordable Housing" is a term of art with a specific definition, and yes, it really exists, all over these United States. Also, if you want to use it colloquially, then housing is, by definition, affordable for most of the people who live in housing and are not running a spending deficit.
Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Wow, this is a take on gun control I don't think I've ever seen: "Lack of gun control is preventing the state from forcibly redistributing the wealth of middle class families." (And this is bad). NRA, eat your hearts out, I guess.
Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
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Not at all, there a jobs that are good for students and other low skill/low experience workers... you can walk in and generate value, the phrase real job as I've heard it means career where with experience the amount of value increases.
What do you call a low experience worker, who only has access to jobs that pay insufficient to the cost of living? Underclass works fine for me. It seems like you do agree, you just either don't see that you do, or aren't honest enough to admit what the agreement means for the people who work these jobs. Their status as students or "other low skill" is irrelevant to their need to pay for food, housing, transport, hea…
It is a really interesting contrast though, that in Amsterdam where I now live (and many other parts of Europe), this divide doesn’t exist as strongly.
We have a perfectly happy and healthy ~40 year old woman come to the office to tend to the plants, and she’s paid a totally fair livable wage. The guy who works at the cafeteria for the office complex supports his family in that job (and I’ve talked to him about it). Same with many other “low skill” workers that I talk to.
Baristas at a cafe seem to still be mostly 20 year olds, but maybe a bit less so than in the US
Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
#180That's very surprising, given that you typically hear about how it's the baby boomers who reaped the rewards and screwed over everyone else.
And they want to screw everyone else again. "We have the means to end homelessness in older adults. By increasing affordable housing for older adults, engaging in targeted prevention efforts, and building off the success of permanent supportive housing, we can make homelessness for older adults rare and brief." Why are homeless baby boomers any more of a problem than entire generations that have been condemned to per…
Today's tsunami of older homeless are the part of their generation that never had access to affordable housing, and are the tip of the iceberg.
Part of the reason is not the actual cost of housing which was already exorbitant by the 1970's, but more devastating was the dramatic reduction in the value of the currency that people had to work for over their lifetime since then.
60-year old "boomers" were not even near working age in 1970 so it was already too late for them to ever earn enough to build any long-term assets before the currency was destroyed.
50-year olds, sheesh.
Millions could never make the transition to a credit/debt environment where a lifetime of wages (in actual dollars more than the previous generation) was unable to build very significant lifetime assets at all compared to the appreciation on real estate by those who had the early opportunity for home ownership.
Those who did well with property ownership over the decades are much better off, but like I said the cost to get in back then was already exorbitant, and (naturally with well-structured debt) it cost a working person more than they actually earned over most of their working lifetime just to participate. So the only thing they had to show for a lifetime of work was their home, rather than money in the bank. They were screwed too, just not as bad, and as a result some of them are becoming homeless now anyway.
It's not some new thing where young people can see that now there may never be a chance to own a home no matter how hard or long they work for a living.
By the mid-1970's it was plain to see this was already the case, and what we see today would be the future result if the 20th century ever got here.
The baby boomers were not yet in power back then, many of those who were in the positions of financial manipulation at the time were actually born back in the 19th century. Post-Civil-War baby boomers I guess you would call the generation that set all this up.
Today's older survivors have always suffered for decades from the extraction that inflation leverages, very much like what young people who can do the math are seeing now that inflation is being imposed again.
The only real remedy ever is for prices to return to pre-inflation levels, but experience has shown that's never going to happen, which would be a lot to ask. If not a full return to "normalcy" then at least some reduction in prices, that hasn't happened either but it's the only hope so many have had for so many decades. It's too late now but it always has been.