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Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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Post by aqme28 »

ac29 wrote: post #148
crazygringo wrote: post #128

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Why would an investment ever be "returned"? Because of its investment, FTX owns shares in Anthropic. In bankruptcy, those shares will be sold in some form to new investors in exchange for cash, at whatever the current value is. Just like any other asset. In theory, I suppose that new investor could be Anthropic itself doing a stock buyback, but that would be extremely unusual. Buybacks are for mature companies with e…

> Why would an investment ever be "returned"? Because the money used for the investment was stolen.

FTX was an investment company. Of all the fraud that company did do, this is like the one thing they were supposed to be doing.

And it's up, so if you think they should renege investments, start with the ones that failed and not the profitable ones.

Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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Post by NikolaNovak »

jocaal wrote: post #152
logicchains wrote: post #144

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>Question: why isn’t Anthropic using Google Cloud, given who their past investors include? They also have a fiduciary duty to their other investors, and going all-in on Google cloud would be a pretty big risk (relative to other cloud providers) given the uncertainty about whether it'll still exist in 5-10 years.

Why wouldn't google cloud exist in 5-10 years? The scale of the project isn't the same as google reader or of their other cancelled projects.

I think that's true and Google cloud as such is unlikely to completely vanish (it may or may not morph significantly and any given service or price isn't necessarily safe)

Still, for proper context, google reader may be small but google stadia was big by any scale, with significant datacentre investment, dedicated consumer hardware, exclusive publishing deals, marketing campaigns, etc. And 10 years isn't as long as it used to be in the IT world :)

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Post by inciampati »

amanzi wrote: post #41
Mxbonn wrote: post #18

I've been using the claude model over the past months and I have to say I usually prefer it over ChatGPT. Some things that impressed me particular are: * It can often give you working urls of images related to your query. (e.g. give me some images to use with this blog paragraph). * It can list relevant publications corresponding to paragraphs, chatgpt often halucinates new papers but claude consistenly gives highly…

You didn't say which version of GPT you prefer it over. My experience of Claude hasn't been good at all - I get obvious hallucinations all the time. Whereas I get pretty consistent accurate results with GPT-4. I just tried again now and asked it about HTMX and Django since I had just been reading an article about it. Claude invented a package called `htmx.django` and a decorator that could be imported called `@hx_req…

It won't hallucinate almost anything if you give it the entire documentation for the libraries you want to use. It can ingest many hundreds of pages of documentation without problem. Used like this it is far more powerful than GPT-4 or any existing model.

Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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Post by Beinglis23 »

I think it might be because they want to diversify their infrastructure and reduce the risk associated with relying solely on one provider. It's interesting to see Anthropic switching cloud providers from Google to Amazon. I think it might be because they want to diversify their infrastructure and reduce the risk associated with relying solely on one provider. Additionally, AWS Trainium and Inferentia chips could offer specialized hardware support that aligns better with their AI workloads. This move doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on Google Cloud's future, but it does indicate that Anthropic wants to explore multiple cloud options for their AI projects.

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Post by superkuh »

umvi wrote: post #173
msp26 wrote: post #84

Almost every paragraph has 2 references to 'safety'. At some point it feels a bit redundant, we get it.

Does "safety" just mean that the LLM output is heavily censored?

Yep. Censored like a god-fearing puritan just off the boat and butt-covering non-responses to everything else like a lawyer. So "aligned" that they can't even pass a turing test.

The only good LLM is the one you're running locally.

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Post by foobarian »

acallaha wrote: post #143
amackera wrote: post #34

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This sounds nice, and the information on https://www.anthropic.com/company seems to back up your claim, but do you know of anything on Anthropic's corporate governance level that will help ensure this mission is followed (forever)? The profit motive is _very_ resilient. Right now I will take it on face value that it's fuel for the ethical mission, but in the future that might change. It's far (far) more likely that t…

I share your concerns about the corrupting influence of money (and the importance of this space), but wanted to point out that Anthropic announced two relevant things last week regarding corporate governance: First, that it has arranged to be controlled by a Long-Term Benefit Trust: "an independent body of five financially disinterested members with an authority to select and remove a portion of our Board that will g…

Hey, even if it does revert to being finance driven, we still get at least a few sincere "don't be evil" years like we did with Google. I think it's still worthwhile.

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Post by _ea1k »

Tiberium wrote: post #79
modeless wrote: post #13

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They have Claude 2 which is up there with GPT-4 and PaLM 2 as one of the top three publicly accessible large language models. And presumably those billions will train Claude 3.

I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree with you - Claude 2 is worse than GPT-4 in almost all tasks I've tried it with, the two things that it's better at than GPT-4 are the context window and the dataset being from early 2023 instead of late 2021 (for 3.5 Turbo/4).

I've found it to be marginally worse at some coding tasks than gpt-3.5, but it is all highly specific to the kinds of questions that I'm asking.

Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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Post by kalkin »

nibab wrote: post #168

Several things to note here: Amazon as a corporate investor - Of course a lot of this is a futures contract on cloud compute. This indicates how much the leadership here thinks the compute will be problem. Money comes way cheaper outside of the big cloud providers (they also know the importance of compute and pull their leverage). This is not a sure bet. While true AGI is probably sitting behind a huge amount of comp…

"Money comes way cheaper outside of the big cloud providers"

Say more about it this? It's not obvious to me why it should be true or what evidence there is for it.

Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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Post by swamp40 »

nibab wrote: post #168

Several things to note here: Amazon as a corporate investor - Of course a lot of this is a futures contract on cloud compute. This indicates how much the leadership here thinks the compute will be problem. Money comes way cheaper outside of the big cloud providers (they also know the importance of compute and pull their leverage). This is not a sure bet. While true AGI is probably sitting behind a huge amount of comp…

> aren’t that many killer products

You've got to be kidding me. Maybe for text. But what about video training neural nets? I could list killer products for days.

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