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‘Sea is constantly dumping bodies’: fears Libya flood death toll may hit 20k

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Re: ‘Sea is constantly dumping bodies’: fears Libya flood death toll may hit 20k

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #168
DiggyJohnson wrote: post #109

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> I wish the West was set up where we could volunteer family members This sounds insane so I surely must be misreading. Do you not mean "where we could volunteer [ourselves]"? I'm imagining a scene in the style of "The Death of Stalin" where I am woken up in the middle of the night and told "your brother has nominated you for relief efforts in Morocco, you have 10 minutes to gather your things."

> Do you not mean "where we could volunteer [ourselves]"? Sort of. I meant where we=family could volunteer members of the family. Me and 5 adult sons live together. Everything is shared (resources, decisions) and 'we' winds up supplanting 'I' a lot. To reduce confusion, I can be more mindful of pronoun use. At least until the new economy makes our arrangement widely familiar.

All good, appreciate the explanation. I was goofing around imagining an intersection of the Baker Act and Red Cross volunteering, but on rereading my language was too strong. I don't ever want to come across like the language police, please don't change your verbiage on my account.

Best of luck to you and your family.

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lenkite wrote: post #166
legutierr wrote: post #155

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Right, of course. The thousands of people gathered in protest in Kiev were all there at the direction of the U.S. State Department.

> Right, of course. The thousands of people gathered in protest in Kiev were all there at the direction of the U.S. State Department. Quite a few were - we will probably get a good idea of the numbers ~40 years later unless the President at the time deems otherwise. Do remember that Yanukovych's election was certified by international monitors. https://www.oscepa.org/en/news-a-media/press-releases/press-... A signifi…

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Re: ‘Sea is constantly dumping bodies’: fears Libya flood death toll may hit 20k

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lenkite wrote: post #166
legutierr wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, of course. The thousands of people gathered in protest in Kiev were all there at the direction of the U.S. State Department.

> Right, of course. The thousands of people gathered in protest in Kiev were all there at the direction of the U.S. State Department. Quite a few were - we will probably get a good idea of the numbers ~40 years later unless the President at the time deems otherwise. Do remember that Yanukovych's election was certified by international monitors. https://www.oscepa.org/en/news-a-media/press-releases/press-... A signifi…

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Re: ‘Sea is constantly dumping bodies’: fears Libya flood death toll may hit 20k

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Post by hnbad »

Jensson wrote: post #139
hnbad wrote: post #75

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Notably a large number of bridges of the German autobahn was recently found to be dangerously unmaintained to the point where the only recommended recourse was to tear them down and rebuild them. Luckily Germany doesn't normally see significant earthquakes and the storms apparently haven't been severe enough to destroy any of them. In my part of Germany we had a severe rain storm this week that caused local flooding…

> Luckily Germany doesn't normally see significant earthquakes and the storms apparently haven't been severe enough to destroy any of them. It isn't luck, if Germany had earthquakes they would have built the bridges differently. You don't build things to handle situations that doesn't happen.

Well, yes, but the lucky part is that unlike severe weather events, the frequency and severity of earthquakes isn't likely to significantly change in Germany.

Our forests died because the trees we planted can't cope with the kind of heat waves we're now seeing. Our towns get flooded because our infrastructure wasn't build to handle this much downpour. But luckily earthquakes aren't something we have to worry about as much, climate change or not.

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Post by mymac »

CapricornNoble wrote: post #162
mymac wrote: post #132

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Russia has given each and every excuse that you could possibly come up with in 2014 and again in 2022. If you're a defense industry consultant I'd expect you to be more than conversant with the run-up to the second episode of this war and not to swallow such things hook, line and sinker. Note that nowhere in that article does it say that the Ukrainian side did that. For all we know this was a provocation, as Russia i…

> Note that nowhere in that article does it say that the Ukrainian side did that. For all we know this was a provocation If you are asserting that the Helsinki-based OSCE was duped by Russia detonating a bunch of explosions on their own side of the line of control....prove it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

The extraordinary claim that Ukrainian shelling of positions in Donbas is why Russia invaded Ukraine is what requires extraordinary evidence. And we already know that claim is nonsense so spare me.

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Post by mymac »

dragonwriter wrote: post #160
CapricornNoble wrote: post #95

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> This is naked Russian propaganda masquerading as enlightened discourse. OSCE via Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/osce-reports-surge-numb... Unless Reuters is "naked Russian propaganda" now, there was definitely an uptick in kinetic activity in the Donbas, with most of it falling on the Separatist side of the line of control.

That there was a surge in numbers of explosions in East Ukraine is not Russian propaganda, everyone agrees it happened. That the surge in shelling was Ukraine-initiated against Russian-backed separatists (and not vice versa coordinated from Moscow as part of the prelude to its own invasion)—and, even moreso, that even if it was, a Ukrainian offensive against separatists in Ukraine (and not even against the openly Rus…

Indeed, which is what I was getting at.
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