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Apple iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max

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Re: Apple iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max

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Post by masklinn »

ksec wrote: post #114
gruturo wrote: post #2

It looks like the one feature I was more eagerly awaiting is there: It can drive a display through the USB-C cable ( https://www.apple.com/iphone-15-pro , scroll down to "Gigablast your gigabits" and then click on "Explore Connectivity". Looking forward (assuming it will work like the iPad Pro) to not carrying a laptop with me when I know there is a USB-C or HDMI (with an adapter) screen available at my destination.…

I hope this is true. Even with a Keyboard and mouse and I can browse Internet with it would be great.

FWIW keyboards have worked OK all along, I regularly use one of my wireless keyboards switched over to the phone to type longer stuff, though the autocorrect gets more annoying in that case.

Mice are a lot more annoying, because they're part of the assistive devices, so you need to enable Assistive Touch, and then you either have the mouse connected or the Assistive Touch menu taking space on the display, which is probably not useful if you're abled. If Assistive Touch is disabled, the mouse "works" but you don't get a visible pointer which is completely stupid.

Possibly connecting to an external display won't have that issue, or iOS 17 will make the experience a bit better for non-assistive mousing.

Re: Apple iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max

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Post by BudaDude »

seydor wrote: post #97
tracerbulletx wrote: post #64

A consumer stereo camera in a significant portion of the populations pocket is a big deal imo. Going to make the volume of VR content much higher.

a 360 camera , or at least the ability to take 360 photos easily would make a bigger difference

180 camera makes more sense at this stage. 360-degree cameras on a phone would be weird when recording with the phone in hand. It would be better on a tripod, but I think Apple is trying not to complicate it unless professionals want it.

Re: Apple iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max

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Post by 3cats-in-a-coat »

highwaylights wrote: post #3

The most interesting part of this to me isn't the titanium or the camera (impressive as it looks), it's the GPU. They made a point of saying that the GPU had been completely ground-up re-designed, and I assume they're intending to keep scaling that up over the next few iterations. They didn't talk about it for very long, but that the phone is able to convincingly run AAA games, even at playable if not great frame-rat…

It also shows the direction the M series, and I'm frankly happy with what they've shipped this year. Solid strategy, design and engineering.

Re: Apple iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max

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Post by PennRobotics »

ochoseis wrote: post #132
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> cheap out by using USB 2.0 Could there have been other tradeoffs? Power consumption, silicon footprint, et cetera . Most people never use USB to transfer data to and from their phones. It would be slightly ridiculous to support 3.0 if it meant tradeoffs in anything practical just so they can say they support a new protocol.

It’s obviously market segmentation.

or USB-C (and its order of magnitude complexity) isn't a SoC peripheral on the already-taped-out A16 but it is on the A17?

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Post by ShakataGaNai »

overcast wrote: post #152

Oh good, 128GB base storage, for 48MP camera + 4k@60 Pro Res video.

Yea, but you have USB3 high speed, record pro-res directly onto, external storage.

So you can spend $100 on a 1TB external drive (rather than $100 on another 128gb of internal storage) and you're way better off. If you're use case is 4k60 ProRes, this makes WAY more sense than recording locally.

Re: Apple iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max

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Post by 3cats-in-a-coat »

minimaxir wrote: post #18

Apple's continued focus on gaming image quality is weird (ray tracing?), since despite Apple Arcade the mobile market still is still dominated by freemium games with simple graphics / lower graphical requirements. There are precisely two freemium games that take advantage of the power of the Apple Silicon chips: Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail, which were coincidently the two released games highlighted. (it may…

Hint: the raytracing GPU engines rely on general purpose GPU compute.

It does raytracing because it has raw power. What you use this power for is another story. It can easily augment the neural engine for example.

Re: Apple iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max

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Post by masklinn »

brokencode wrote: post #138
Night_Thastus wrote: post #99

Sticking the 23-year-old USB 2.0 port on a device that is made in 2023 and costs $1k is inexcusable. [non-pro] There is absolutely no excuse when we're talking about a device at this price point and this age. It doesn't matter that it wouldn't be fully exercised by most users. These are premium products at a premium price point. It's insulting that they would cheap out like that.

It makes sense though. The non-pro models are using last year’s A16 SOC without any updates. I assume they’ll get USB 3 next year when the SOC is updated. I’d be much more disappointed if that’s not the case though.

I'd assume the non-pros will remain on USB2, and that serves as a segmentation feature. Especially since only the pros can shoot in ProRAW and ProRES.

On iPads, the "base" iPad is on USB2 speeds, the mini supports 5Gbps, the air 10, and only the pro supports 40Gb USB4. And while SoC differences could explain differences between the iPad (A14) and Mini (A15), the 5th gen Air uses the same SoC as the 5th gen Pro which already did support 40Gb USB4. So it's not an SoC limitation.

Although they ended up putting the 48MP main camera on the non-pro and I thought that'd remain pro-exclusive as well so...

Re: Apple iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max

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Post by NavinF »

gruturo wrote: post #2

It looks like the one feature I was more eagerly awaiting is there: It can drive a display through the USB-C cable ( https://www.apple.com/iphone-15-pro , scroll down to "Gigablast your gigabits" and then click on "Explore Connectivity". Looking forward (assuming it will work like the iPad Pro) to not carrying a laptop with me when I know there is a USB-C or HDMI (with an adapter) screen available at my destination.…

I don't see anything about displays on that page. All I see is "iPhone 15 Pro lets you shoot ProRes video directly to external storage, so you can quickly switch drives and keep your iPhone camera rolling on set. Want to capture slow motion Hollywood style? Now you can record ProRes 4K at 60 fps to an external SSD."

I highly doubt the 15 Pro can drive a display. In the unlikely case that it can, you'll be limited to very low res. Why would they limit USB to 10gbps if the PHY can push the ~32gbps eDP bandwidth required for a modern display?

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