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Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by zogrodea »

boppo1 wrote: post #144
zogrodea wrote: post #125

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Wasn't he wrongly convicted by KKK-sympathetic southern white jurors? The /pol/ narrative tends to ignore consensus on reality.

I don't think so. The person he tried shifting blame on was black, and this was one of the landmark cases in America of a black person winning in court over a white one. The KKK hates both groups of course but not equally.

I don't find it hard to believe because of the dishonesty I've seen from ADL and Zionists in trying to distort the truth, and the disingenious way they respond to those they disagree with. For example, conflating all criticism of the state of Israel with anti-Semitism and an attack on Jews when that state, like every other country, has many faults to criticise it for.

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Post by weatherlite »

smcl wrote: post #116
weatherlite wrote: post #112

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I would say one has to see how pervasive the interference from the owners is. It could be that Fox is just as bad, I don't follow it much. I asked ChatGPT: "are there fox news reporters who are critical of donald trump ?" "Yes, throughout Donald Trump's presidency and even before, there were reporters and commentators associated with Fox News who, at various times, were critical of him, his actions, or his policies.…

I'm sorry but if you're having to ask ChatGPT for whether FOX is biased and are satisfied with an answer like As anchor of "Special Report with Bret Baier," Baier aimed for an even-handed approach as an argument then you really need to actually try it out or step back and say "I don't know anything about this topic"

I don't know enough about the topic, fully admit it. What's wrong with asking ChatGPT. Do you have a good way of getting an unbiased answer for what I asked?

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Post by ethanbond »

qwytw wrote: post #131
WeylandYutani wrote: post #121

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Is it nonsense if half of Americans believe it? I live in a post religious society and it's easy to forget that these things still matter for the rest of the planet.

> Is it nonsense if half of Americans believe it? They don't though and there are way more sensible reasons which would explain US support for Israel.

80% of US Christians believe Jesus will return (https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/04/09/christians-v...)

The mainstream Christian theology is that Jesus will return in order to wage war on non-believers and secure earth as the heavenly dominion of the believers (https://www.bibleref.com/Revelation/19/Revelation-19-11.html)

This grand battle and ultimate plundering of the spoils takes place in/near Jerusalem (https://www.bibleref.com/Zechariah/14/Zechariah-14-1.html)

One apparent prerequisite to this battle happening is the construction of The Third Temple which would, of course, require control over the region in which The Third Temple must be rebuilt -- Jerusalem. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_in_Jerusalem)

Also they need to find a red cow. Then Jesus can come with his flaming sword and slaughter ~billions of people.

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Post by myth_drannon »

dheavy wrote: post #92
throwaway914 wrote: post #19

I know I'm naive: I don't understand why US companies are so sensitive to respecting Israel. I don't know why our gov is so sensitive to this either. Israel - like all countries - deserves criticism, no? This can't purely be about respecting the billions spent on US weapons to defend Israel, right? I genuinely do not understand, because I think they'd happily buy from the military anyway.

Lobbying? As a secular Jew in Western Europe, I've distanced myself from my religious community due to its insistence on tying my identity to Israel. Where I live, it's less taboo to critique Israel than in the U.S., but still tricky. Advocates of Israel's right-wing politics have blurred the line between criticizing Israel and anti-Semitism, an endeavor helped by actual anti-Semites. I've grown up with these support…

It's less about your Jewish identity tied to Israel and more about you and your identity not tied to the country you live. It's two sides of the same coin and the argument is much older than Israel. Your loyalty will be always questioned it's just that now it has more "Israeli flavor". Different people, same idea. Things didn't change much since the Dreyfus affair.

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Post by mvdtnz »

WeylandYutani wrote: post #121
trilbyglens wrote: post #104

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There's also a lot of wacky christian folklore that is very popular in evangelical America that has to do with Israel being involved in the "end days". Some nutjobs feel that a strong Israeli state will hasten the rapture or some nonsense like that. There are a good number of those folk in elected positions, but also the evangelical crowd is inordinately influential in US politics, so it weasels it's way into many di…

Is it nonsense if half of Americans believe it? I live in a post religious society and it's easy to forget that these things still matter for the rest of the planet.

Yes it is nonsense.

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Post by wood_spirit »

weatherlite wrote: post #172
smcl wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but if you're having to ask ChatGPT for whether FOX is biased and are satisfied with an answer like As anchor of "Special Report with Bret Baier," Baier aimed for an even-handed approach as an argument then you really need to actually try it out or step back and say "I don't know anything about this topic"

I don't know enough about the topic, fully admit it. What's wrong with asking ChatGPT. Do you have a good way of getting an unbiased answer for what I asked?

Re fox: Fox is so pro-trump that they are in court for claiming election fraud and all their internal messages are now public and you can read them discussing how they must support trump even over them not believing his claims.

Re trusting an LLM’s answers: HN is full of detailed discussion about how they work and how they hallucinate. There is often delight expressed when someone pastes something from chatgpt that is actually factually correct, but this is because we marvel at the statistical chances, not because we believe chatgpt groks the subject!

For fun, ask it about something that you know a lot about. Even when it is making stuff up it is really good at prose.

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Post by gettodachoppa »

ethanbond wrote: post #173
qwytw wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it nonsense if half of Americans believe it? They don't though and there are way more sensible reasons which would explain US support for Israel.

80% of US Christians believe Jesus will return ( https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/04/09/christians-v... ) The mainstream Christian theology is that Jesus will return in order to wage war on non-believers and secure earth as the heavenly dominion of the believers ( https://www.bibleref.com/Revelation/19/Revelation-19-11.html ) This grand battle and ultimate plundering of the spoils takes place in/near Jerusal…

You must think you're deboonking by linking random Bible verses and obscure theory most people have never heard of?

I'm agnostic but I was raised Christian in different communities and on different continents and I have never been taught that Jesus's return is anything but a peaceful end-time where the just go to heaven (and yes, the wicked to hell). Zero mentions of Jesus waging war, if anything it's taught as the end of war and strife.

Not a single person I know associates Jesus with doing violence. I'm sure someone must believe this, but calling it "mainstream" is bad faith. What sort of "mainstream" theology is it if neither me nor anyone I know has been taught this?

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by ethanbond »

gettodachoppa wrote: post #177
ethanbond wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

80% of US Christians believe Jesus will return ( https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/04/09/christians-v... ) The mainstream Christian theology is that Jesus will return in order to wage war on non-believers and secure earth as the heavenly dominion of the believers ( https://www.bibleref.com/Revelation/19/Revelation-19-11.html ) This grand battle and ultimate plundering of the spoils takes place in/near Jerusal…

You must think you're deboonking by linking random Bible verses and obscure theory most people have never heard of? I'm agnostic but I was raised Christian in different communities and on different continents and I have never been taught that Jesus's return is anything but a peaceful end-time where the just go to heaven (and yes, the wicked to hell). Zero mentions of Jesus waging war, if anything it's taught as the e…

> Jesus’s return is a peaceful end-time [when billions of people are sent to eternal torture]

This is why it seems like an obscure theory, because people don’t actually think about the words they’re saying.

Here’s Joel Olsteen, whose weekly sermon has 10,000,000 viewers, saying we should be happy about the bad things happening in the world because they’re a sign of the end times (after which he and his followers get to divide the spoils of the earth): https://www.charismanews.com/us/32276-joel-osteen-discusses-...

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by gettodachoppa »

ethanbond wrote: post #178
gettodachoppa wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must think you're deboonking by linking random Bible verses and obscure theory most people have never heard of? I'm agnostic but I was raised Christian in different communities and on different continents and I have never been taught that Jesus's return is anything but a peaceful end-time where the just go to heaven (and yes, the wicked to hell). Zero mentions of Jesus waging war, if anything it's taught as the e…

> Jesus’s return is a peaceful end-time [when billions of people are sent to eternal torture] This is why it seems like an obscure theory, because people don’t actually think about the words they’re saying. Here’s Joel Olsteen, whose weekly sermon has 10,000,000 viewers, saying we should be happy about the bad things happening in the world because they’re a sign of the end times (after which he and his followers get…

Peaceful end-time for good people, eternal damnation for bad people, yes. How many Christians do you think consider a good person of another religion to be going to hell? Jesus' main teachings were compassion and loving your neighbor.

When I read Wikipedia's page on the Second Coming, at no point does it mention Jesus waging war. So much for being "mainstream theology"...

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Post by SenAnder »

ethanbond wrote: post #115
SenAnder wrote: post #64

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Part of the answer is simply that a large fraction of the US government is Jewish. E.g. according to the White House, their staff (everything from stenographers and secretaries, to labor relations representatives and foreign policy experts) is 32% Jewish (2.4% of US population), 44% ethnic minority (about even with US), and 24% non-Jewish White (55% of US) Sources: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36119693

Nope. It’s eschatological Christians who back Israel. Has nothing to do with protecting Jews and everything to do with evangelical Christians’ end times prophecy. The world’s largest military has made decades of foreign policy decisions in accordance with these people’s doomsday fetish.

Those Christians are also against abortion and homosexuality, but they've had far less success on those topics - school prayer was removed, and replaced with LGBT flags.
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