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Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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Post by tomrod »

whimsicalism wrote: post #136
jjoonathan wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar: recent PR photos made it "click" for me that modern stealthy aircraft look exactly like "flying saucer" UFOs from the front. https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/02/politics/b-21-stealth-bomber-...

Everyone knows that modern stealth aircraft looks like that, but that is not what has been causing the recent furor.

Furor which may well have been caused by unacknowledged aircraft like the above.

But who knows, maybe an intelligence or sapience from another world just wants to confuse people, or something similar in the long probability tail of life experience in this universe.

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Post by avgcorrection »

logicchains wrote: post #154
beowulfey wrote: post #148

At this point the effects of the JFK assassination are so far back in history that new knowledge of possibly real and alternative sequences of events should have little impact on society as it is now. Let’s say it was orchestrated by political enemies—what effect would this have on things today? The state of US government is so dramatically different from back then. This kind of discussion is really only interesting…

>This kind of discussion is really only interesting from a historical perspective. It doesn’t really have any bearing on modern politics or society. This is completely untrue. Some of his family members suspect he was murdered by the US intelligence agencies for planning to curb their power. Given the intelligence agencies have even more power now than back then, and are still not held accountable for their actions,…

> This is completely untrue. Some of his family members suspect he was murdered by the US intelligence agencies for planning to curb their power. [...] the need for the public to come out in mass in support of candidates committed to breaking up or disbanding those agencies.

The people have some kind of obligation to that but what looks like dynastic power is fine?

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Post by wheelerof4te »

ALittleLight wrote: post #155
xyzelement wrote: post #118

Not directly related to this article, but I found the lone gunman theory much easier to accept after visiting the museum in the former book depository in Dallas. You can look down onto the plaza from the exact spot Oswald shot from, and you can easily imagine how the bullet fired from there would go through JFK and into the governor sitting in front of him. Not that this proves anything, it was just a "oh, I can tang…

I think the suspicious stuff about the JFK assassination is not the shot itself, but the fact that Oswald had a friend and mentor who was a CIA handler and Oswald himself was inexplicably murdered by Ruby before any real investigation could happen. Ruby's offered explanation - that he wanted to save Jackie a trial, doesn't seem plausible.

"I think the suspicious stuff about the JFK assassination is not the shot itself, but..."

...who ordered the murder. Shooter is the least important factor considering how many enemies JFK had in the establishment. It is too easy to blackmail someone in performing the murder.

Especially if you have friends in the CIA.

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Post by PaulRobinson »

thinkharderdev wrote: post #146

I didn't read the article but a few months ago I randomly came across https://www.posner.com/case-closed and gave it a read. I haven't really read much else about the Kennedy assassination and the various conspiracy theories (certainly no other 400p books on the subject) but came away from the reading pretty impressed with the thoroughness of the argument. Spoiler alert, the argument is that the official story that O…

How does this book account for the magic bullet, an exit wound to the back of the head, gun smoke seem from another location, eyewitness reports of Oswald that make it impossible for him to make the shots in those timeframes, or the eyewitness reports of a "police officer" near the grassy knoll that was never accounted for or found?

The magic bullet and exit wound - as seen on film kept from Americans for years - were enough to convince me the lone gunman theory was nonsense, but the rest of it also needs some accounting for.

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Post by gordian-not »

rightbyte wrote: post #101
gordian-not wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rabin assassination has a pretty weird conspiracy theory though

These ones? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Rabin_assassination_co... The bullet points seem to be mostly confusion at the scene and shitty police work afterwards. What is the conspiracy. That he was not killed at that spot, but later by the secret service? Like "that guy fired blanks at him, lets kill the PM and frame him"?

I never really understood the logic because it is deeply oxymoronic. People that generally wanted him dead (ultra right) think that he was killed by the secret service (presumably left) and Yigal Amir (ultra right) was framed.

But it is something about putting blank bullets in order to gather support with a fake assassination and then he was really killed by the Shabak on order of Shimon Peres (but can’t say that’s verbatim)

It always seemed even less internally consistent than most JFK theories

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Post by avgcorrection »

I don't understand why regular people care about this. If it was a conspiracy then some elite was killed by other elites.

Conspiracies to kill relatively powerless people seems more interesting to me because it's The Man vs. the everyman.

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Post by wheelerof4te »

logicchains wrote: post #154
beowulfey wrote: post #148

At this point the effects of the JFK assassination are so far back in history that new knowledge of possibly real and alternative sequences of events should have little impact on society as it is now. Let’s say it was orchestrated by political enemies—what effect would this have on things today? The state of US government is so dramatically different from back then. This kind of discussion is really only interesting…

>This kind of discussion is really only interesting from a historical perspective. It doesn’t really have any bearing on modern politics or society. This is completely untrue. Some of his family members suspect he was murdered by the US intelligence agencies for planning to curb their power. Given the intelligence agencies have even more power now than back then, and are still not held accountable for their actions,…

Completely agree.

I'd even go further and say that those still living should be tried for high treason.

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Post by coldtea »

beowulfey wrote: post #148

At this point the effects of the JFK assassination are so far back in history that new knowledge of possibly real and alternative sequences of events should have little impact on society as it is now. Let’s say it was orchestrated by political enemies—what effect would this have on things today? The state of US government is so dramatically different from back then. This kind of discussion is really only interesting…

>At this point the effects of the JFK assassination are so far back in history that new knowledge of possibly real and alternative sequences of events should have little impact on society as it is now. Let’s say it was orchestrated by political enemies—what effect would this have on things today? The state of US government is so dramatically different from back then.

Is it? If it happened before it could happen again. And if a presidental assasination happened and was covered up, what other things happened and got covered up in the between decades, and what things still happen and are being covered up now?

History tends to have repercursions, even after centuries.

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Post by kbrisso »

dharmab wrote: post #127
pseingatl wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the opposite feeling. Looking from the window, to your left, a winding road. To your right, the freeway entrance. With a bolt action rifle, Oswald had to shoot, eject the casing, reload, acquire the target of an accelerating vehicle, shoot, eject the casing, reload, acquire the target of an accelerating vehicle and fire again. One of the Marine Corps' top snipers said, "I can't do it." If he can't, how could Os…

The Carcano M91/38 is a magazine fed rifle, it isn't manually reloaded. You can work the bolt while remaining on target. That's not a particularly hard thing to do, either- I was able to learn that skill the first afternoon I shot a magzine fed bolt action. EDIT: Here's a video of someone replicating the shots with that rifle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghmY6HmR4fs The comments also point out other factors that…

One of the cable networks had a guy make the shot from the exact same height and distance. After I watch that episode I'm convinced it happened that way. What really makes it a conspiracy is how RFK covered up the political on goings in the White House. JFK was doing thing politically not popular in America, in an effort to cover this up RFK rushed the funeral, medical exam and burial to put those things to rest.
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