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Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Can you make FAANG level money doing consulting?

Double, triple, even quadruple

As general advice this is exagerated. You can match it yes, but quadrupling you need to be bringing something very special to the table.

Unless you mean the arbitrage of doing this from different countries with more favourable tax/COL?

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

#172
post #118

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> if you have to leave the country i mean, this is meant to be a jobs visa. The fact that if you quit said job, you no longer have a reason to be given to stay, seems pretty normal. You are free to leave, it doesn't mean leaving is consequence free.

> this is meant to be a jobs visa It isn’t, it’s a dual intent visa. Job and path to permanent residency.

> dual intent visa.

the gov't doesn't intent this visa to be dual purpose. It is a job visa first and foremost, and the path to PR is at best a secondary concern for the gov't.

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Generally not supposed to say this out loud, but being the only American on an all H1B team at these companies can be absolutely brutal. Very alienating, always missing out on back channel communications, no sympathy for missteps

I'm a manager of a team that's mostly H1Bs at Google. It's mostly fine but a few of them just refuse improve their English, and it's frustrating spending hours every day just being an English teacher to an engineer who writes at a 5th grade level. The problem with hiring too many H1Bs is they speak to each other in Chinese and thus take forever to become proficient at communicating with the rest of the company. Also,…

I’m not American and don’t live in America (I presume by “America” you mean the United States?), but shouldn’t it be “… refuse to improve their English”?

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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How many software developers can, in a reasonable timeframe, buy a house in the place they live and support alone a family of four people? Then the truly insane salaries you are talking about are not really that insane. House prices have gone absolutely nuts in the last forty years. We are witnessing the largest generational transfer of wealth in the history of the world. Healthcare and education have also experience…

> It doesn’t change the fact that ratio of programmer salary to median salary has been moving way up. This has been true up to about a year ago

I’m in the industry too and would like to see it resume. But this small reversal is not why we feel poor. That’s not a programmer specific issue.

The causes of that are things we can band together with people across many industries to fight. Like breaking the power of the land-owning gerontocracy.

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

#175
post #3

For H1B don't they have to show that they are paying at least market rate? And isn't it a factor in awarding the visa?

Here's how it works in practice: You create a job posting that's buried on your careers page and has so many very specific requirements for an underleveled role (because it's custom-made for the H1B person you want to hire) that no local worker can possibly meet them all. Then you half-heartedly phone screen a few people to check the box before throwing up your hands and saying, "We tried and weren't able to find any…

Or just getting rid of H1B all together and nurture that talent in-country.

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

#176

Generally not supposed to say this out loud, but being the only American on an all H1B team at these companies can be absolutely brutal. Very alienating, always missing out on back channel communications, no sympathy for missteps

I'm a manager of a team that's mostly H1Bs at Google. It's mostly fine but a few of them just refuse improve their English, and it's frustrating spending hours every day just being an English teacher to an engineer who writes at a 5th grade level. The problem with hiring too many H1Bs is they speak to each other in Chinese and thus take forever to become proficient at communicating with the rest of the company. Also,…

refuse improve their English

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

#177
post #30

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Is that really related to h1b or other (cultural?) differences?

It’s not as if it’s directly attributable to an H1B but if a group has eight Indian people on it chances are they’ll converse in their native language from time to time and it’s quite possible they’ll have a group chat and a close relationship (given their shared similar circumstances). Not difficult to see how an outsider might feel excluded. That said, that same group often faces exclusion in the wider company (and…

That's caused by a lack of diversity. If they were from different countries, they would behave differently.

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

#178
post #149

I abhor any system that results in second hand citizens, such as the H1B program. It suppresses the general welfare, in service of capital. If I were able to, I'd give everyone in the program an immediate option for citizenship, and then cancel it. We clearly need to reform our immigration system.

H1Bs aren’t second hand citizens, and canceling the H1B program would trigger an immediate humanitarian crisis, not to mention completely shut off America’s main advantage in innovation; the idea that we don’t care where you’re from if you’re great at what you do.

> we don’t care where you’re from if you’re great at what you do.

Yes, that’s true but isn’t what is happening here. They’re not bringing in H1Bs for their talent, they’re firing US workers so they bring in H1Bs to do the same job, but cheaper.

Break up ALL big tech.

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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The only scenario where this makes sense is if the "all H1B team" is all from the same country / speaks the same language. The issue is not "all H1B", it's the lack of diversity in the team.

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I guess it’s not a good time to be a white male. I’m not one but it’s hard to ignore when in plain slight.

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

#180
post #17

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Market rate is based on the national median. So yeah... they do get paid more than the median, but far less than a developer where they work. It's why H1 workers tend to get hired in high paying areas. That's when it's worth it. If they can swing remote, it might be worth it. I've had a California company "lowball" me and I cackled at my amazing raise internally.

That is not true. Prevailing wage also depends on the where you work. https://flag.dol.gov/programs/prevailingwages

It is true.

You posting that link over and over doesn’t obviate the fact that we look around collectively and see H1Bs getting paid at the bottom of the band.

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