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Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by Brian_K_White »

skyyler wrote: post #60
tstrimple wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I end up regularly going over the "Pro" tier of searches a month (partially because I accidentally search all the time, but also I'm heavy search-engine user) is a bit of a letdown. I hadn't considered this aspect of Kagi yet. I'm not a subscriber at this point, but I am strongly considering it. But I use search instead of typing domain names directly to avoid the typo phishing style attacks. I wonder how much "art…

Make better use of bookmarks and you won't need to use a search engine as a first-line phishing defense. Just a suggestion. Search engines do supply their results with a level of confidence, and you're not wrong to use them like that.

Bookmarks were my obvious answer as well, but bookmarks are annoying to me. I don't like managing them and I don't like having the bar visible and I don't like having to remember to use the bookmark for things that have a bookmark, and the addressbar for things that don't have a bookmark.

It's a work-around, not an actual resolution, unless you already happen to like using bookmarks.

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by bigpapikite »

endorphine wrote: post #161

As a SWE/SRE, how does Kagi compare in quality of results (i.e. finding you the answer easily) vs. DuckDuckGo and Google?

I haven't really had issues. They have a "programming" toggle that filters results to what looks like mainly forum type content like on github or stackoverflow, but I don't use it often, I'm sure some people do though

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by freediver »

VapidLinus wrote: post #155
freediver wrote: post #2

Vlad from Kagi here, thanks for posting. The RSS feed unexpectedly broke (edit: the feed is back up! [3]) just as we published the blog post, in the true spirt of "small web" :) Should be up in 30 minutes which will enable the site to function too (it uses the same feed). This has been a personal pet project of mine and I spent considerable time getting my hands dirty with the code, as the team was busy with other in…

Are English "Small Web" results included even if I use the "Sweden" search region? I noticed the example result for useyourloaf wasn't included if I switched it to "Sweden" and not sure if this is just an oddity or if the entire feature is nerfed because I just leave my locale on all the time.

Can you post this on kagifeedback.org so that we can have a look in more depth?

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by freediver »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #167
packetlost wrote: post #28

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The ability to block SEO garbage sites like GeeksForGeeks and not filling the first 3-5 results with ads is worth it alone. Not to mention the ability to boost certain sites results over others on a personalized level. Unfortunately for me, I end up regularly going over the "Pro" tier of searches a month (partially because I accidentally search all the time, but also I'm heavy search-engine user) is a bit of a letdow…

I don't understand the pricing. (Well, I do understand, I understand that it's the same anti-consumer gimmick as gym memberships.) On the $5 tier it's 1.7 cents per search for the first 300, then 1.5 cents after that. As expected I blew past the 300 before the month was out and am currently sitting at a total of almost $9 for this month and there are still 3 more days to go, and this includes being away for labor day…

You shouldn't need to be counting them. It was a necesseity to make sure we stay in business. We figured out ways to reduce costs in the meantime and we will be going back to $10/mo for unmetered searches this month.

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by vinceguidry »

toastal wrote: post #54
vinceguidry wrote: post #25

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Can't reinvent everything all at once lol.

There’s not much to reinvent. They could have setup & hosted an XMPP server with MUCs & microblogged posts on whatever ActivityPub option they chose (or similar softwares).

The point isn't to go back to the 90s, it's to bring the 90s into today.

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by toastal »

vinceguidry wrote: post #175
toastal wrote: post #54

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There’s not much to reinvent. They could have setup & hosted an XMPP server with MUCs & microblogged posts on whatever ActivityPub option they chose (or similar softwares).

The point isn't to go back to the 90s, it's to bring the 90s into today.

Modern XEPs have brought XMPP to today. ActivityPub is fairly new too.

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by freediver »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #149
freediver wrote: post #2

Vlad from Kagi here, thanks for posting. The RSS feed unexpectedly broke (edit: the feed is back up! [3]) just as we published the blog post, in the true spirt of "small web" :) Should be up in 30 minutes which will enable the site to function too (it uses the same feed). This has been a personal pet project of mine and I spent considerable time getting my hands dirty with the code, as the team was busy with other in…

I have been developing a "small web" static site, forked and customized a templating engine into a static site generator just for my site. Even wrote a new post recently, last week or so. How can I add it to the list? The GitHub says to make a pull request, is that really all there is to it? Edit: just saw this: > Do not submit your own website. I see. I'm okay with that. Maybe it will show up there one day.

I checked your site and do not see an RSS feed there? Feel free to submit it once implemented :)

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by freediver »

benhoyt wrote: post #114

Thanks for the prominent link to my article! ("The Small Web is Beautiful") I consider that my personal software manifesto, so I'm glad to see it being promoted more widely. I really like what you're doing with Kagi Small Web -- love that you've taken the initiative to start surfacing all this excellent content. Keep up the good work. I think I'll try out Kagi search...

Thanks for writing that Ben, it is truly an inspirational piece. I hope you like your Kagi experience.

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by tremon »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #171
skyyler wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Make better use of bookmarks and you won't need to use a search engine as a first-line phishing defense. Just a suggestion. Search engines do supply their results with a level of confidence, and you're not wrong to use them like that.

Bookmarks were my obvious answer as well, but bookmarks are annoying to me. I don't like managing them and I don't like having the bar visible and I don't like having to remember to use the bookmark for things that have a bookmark, and the addressbar for things that don't have a bookmark. It's a work-around, not an actual resolution, unless you already happen to like using bookmarks.

This is my approach: address-bar autocomplete only uses bookmarks as suggestions (well, and open tabs). I almost never open my bookmarks, nor feel the need to organize them. I'm really pleased with the way Firefox has implemented that autocomplete: by default, Firefox autocompletes the domain names (with typeahead) while you're typing, while full bookmarked url's are just a down-arrow away, sorted by most recently used. It means I never have to bookmark bare domain names: as soon as I have a page bookmarked on a domain, Firefox will also allow me to quickly navigate to the bare domain site. And for individual pages, I can just type two or three letters (not necessarily the first few) to directly identify the page that I want to go to.

Obviously that means I'm using split url/search fields in the address bar, or that wouldn't work as easily. I also heavily use Firefox' keyword search to avoid doing a round-trip through a search engine if I already know which site I want to search; mostly using the same prefixes that DDG uses, so I don't need to adjust too much if I find myself using a different computer.

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by imiric »

judas44 wrote: post #164
imiric wrote: post #111

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To give a slightly less positive perspective: I trialed Kagi for a few weeks, and while I liked the features and their business model, its search results are no better than from my own Searx instance. Kagi essentially does the same thing as Searx: anonymized API calls to 3rd party search engines. It's just packaged in a friendlier UI, but the experience is not far off. Plus, Searx supports many more search engines, a…

Kagi pays for their 3rd party access of Bing and Google results, unlike Searx

That's interesting, and good, if so. Do you have a source for that? I couldn't find anything in their FAQ.
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