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Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

AaronM wrote: post #56
skizm wrote: post #40

I haven't spun up anything in the cloud in a while. I used to dabble in both AWS and Digital Ocean. Usually went with DO because it seemed simpler and my projects were super small (and they had a lot of relevant guides to spinning up X, Y, and Z service on their systems). What is the difference between EC2-classic and whatever is available today? Are you still able to just get a linux box with a public IP address?

You have to create at minimum a vpc, internet gateway and at least one subnet/route table pointing to the igw

> You have to create at minimum a vpc

A default VPC is created automatically. For simple projects, that's good enough.

> internet gateway and at least one subnet/route table pointing to the igw

Only if you have a private subnet.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by chrisweekly »

moomin wrote: post #148
chrisweekly wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tangent: your use of the word "tripe" here is spot-on. The secondary definition (nonsense) works, but I'm talking about the apt metaphor of its primary definition: offal that's technically edible but comes from low-quality parts of the digestive system which are literally filled with feces. LLM-generated SEO spam should always be called "tripe".

Honestly, a lot of this isn't LLM stuff. It's "people being paid pittance".

Good point; maybe all clickbait and SEO spam, regardless of human provenance, counts as "tripe".

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by dylan604 »

pests wrote: post #158
LamaOfRuin wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having basically all their users (well, as much as for any of their revenue generating products anyway) be revenue generating would require practically no effort for google specifically. It fit their revenue model perfectly. It is trivial to put the exact same ads in there as they already had on search and gmail, and it is stickier than search or gmail.

That would seem a little rude wouldn't it? Taking content from another site, maybe that has ads, and then displaying it in Reader next to your own ads instead? I think it would have caused some issues in the RSS world that such a big player was using everyone's content for themselves. I used Reader daily back then. It's strange to think my current method of manually checking sites for updates was solved so long ago.

LOL. the Googs worrying about being rude is charmingly funny in a webcomic kind of way. they removed their tag line of don't be evil. you think they are concerned about being rude?

however, this is precisely what Reddit was complaining about 3rd party apps doing to their content. everyone was trying to pivot to blaming AI scrappers, but that's just FUD.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by jen20 »

saurik wrote: post #115

EC2-Classic was magical. It felt like we were finally living in the future: a world where software was in charge of networking, and all of the legacy cruft that came from having to build networks out of cable could be forgotten. Rather than care about legacy IP "subnets", the cloud cared about "security groups", which were missing only a couple features (such as "hierarchy") to entirely replace the role of a subnet i…

VPC absolutely allows you to do something that classic did not - add a single entry to your on-prem route table to AWS without transiting the public internet. A shared flat network is problematic for this.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by rakkhi »

keltex wrote: post #4

This is something Google Cloud should learn from. It doesn't matter if product XX still makes money or fits in your business model. There are people who rely on it. And they'll remember if the vendor kept it running trouble free for years. They'll also remember if it was arbitrarily shut down or the price was suddenly increased by 4x and they had to spend many man hours migrating to another option. (Google maps api?)…

Software engineering at Google even had a law for their

https://medium.com/se-101-software-engineering/what-is-the-h...

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by poxrud »

SillyUsername wrote: post #71

Now all they need to do is actually allow a fixed budget instead of possible runaway credit card charges. Microsoft do it, and IIRC Google, so why not Amazon? I've been waiting for this for about 20 years too :D

I know it’s not the same but you can setup billing alarms and budget alerts.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by swyx »

werner wrote: post #137
brianshaler wrote: post #55

Off topic, but I'm confused about the IPv4 notation in this quote: > When we launched EC2 in 2006, it was one giant network of 10.2.0.0/8. In my understanding, /8 means the first octet would be fixed (10.0.0.0-10.255.255.255) and I'm having trouble understanding the significance of the 2 here. If the 2 is significant, wouldn't you write it as /16? Given the source and my confidence on this notation, I feel like there…

You are right, it was a typo. It should have been 10.0.0.0/8. Updated that in the blog, also resolved a confusion about the memory in a P3dn.24xlarge. Thanks for your critical reading!

@brianshaler not only read TFA, but found the bug in TFA, and TFA was by Werner Vogels.

I dont think there's any higher honor/role model as a HN community member. inspiring.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by nine_k »

kibwen wrote: post #153
nine_k wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK more than 95% of all email traffic is spam. I still consider email an absolutely vital tool, despite the efficiency below a steam engine. Same with YouTube: the small sliver of content I care about is important enough for me to pay for YouTube premium. Sometimes people compare something to a gold mine, to emphasize how rich that is. A typical gold mine extracts several grams of good per tonne of rock, that is,…

YouTube isn't analogous to email, it's analogous to Gmail. We were hosting video in the 90s, and the cost of storage, bandwidth, and compute have become orders of magnitude cheaper since then. Video hosting is not magic that only YouTube can pull off.

Unlike Gmail, YouTube is a large public repository of media.

Pulling your email account from Gmail affects you. Pulling a video from YouTube affects potentially huge numbers of people.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by earthboundkid »

jonas21 wrote: post #168
earthboundkid wrote: post #86

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I am fucking pissed at how Google created tons of make work for me by killing old Universal Analytics and replacing it with an inferior product. OTOH, I successfully skipped the whole AMP saga because I could tell from the start that it was bullshit.

Universal Analytics used third-party cookies. Support for them has been removed from all major browsers due to privacy issues.

So you adapt to that. Adapting to changes does not require any of the crap in GA4.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by sneak »

moomin wrote: post #147
sneak wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I miss Google Search being good and useful and not covered in intrusive ads much more than I miss something easily replaced with local software or Feedly. Almost everything Google does outside of GCP, Maps, Search, and YouTube could evaporate for all I care. Google's problem is not that they cancel stuff, it's the everpresent need to grow revenue and embed annoying ads into more and more of everyone's daily lives. I'…

But Reader _wasn't_ easily replaced by local software. They centralised social usage of RSS, then killed it. Yes, you can still run an RSS reader, but RSS and blogs as a a model of social networking? Never came back.

That wasn't Reader, that was apps. Nobody uses the web anymore except as API transport for native apps. Blame Android and Apple for that.
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