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How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by wiseowise »

BaseballPhysics wrote: post #102
wink wrote: post #62

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I didn't get that _at all_. If you are interested in stuff that is not related to your work (so learning on the job is out), what else would you do? To me this sounded like the author likes to read and learn about things, but these just happen to also be tech. So they found a way to make time and describe how. I don't see any holier than thou "this is how you must do it", just a simple "this works for me". But YMMV.

Yeah except the piece started with: > My software developer colleagues often ask me where I do get all the time for reading all the tech books or articles, watching conference talks and listening to podcasts. They're not talking about learning about woodworking on the side, or learning about tech for fun. They specifically situated the piece in the world of work right at the start, going so far as to present themselv…

This is the same for all things in life.

Want to have a better partner? Become a gym rat! Work on your personality! Want to be make more money in life? Learn more, grind more!

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by Sinnytk »

yurishimo wrote: post #168
TeMPOraL wrote: post #154

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I envy those who can wake up on schedule. In my natural state, I wake up randomly between 09:00 to 12:00; the only way I can wake up earlier, or at specific time, is if someone else forces me out of bed, and makes sure I don't fall back asleep within the next 15 minutes. I've been like this for as long as I remember. So even without kids and their adjustable schedules (ready to get up as early as 04:00, but waiting f…

I want to say thank you for sharing your experience. As someone who also feels forced to function due to outside pressure, it's interesting to hear others talk about their experiences. One thing I've naively assumed, is that having kids will awaken some instinctual facet of my psyche to respond to the stimuli inherit in having young children. Maybe that is still _likely_ true, but your experience was that nothing abo…

And thank you for going on that ramble. Resonates with me so much

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by dahwolf »

The first hack is to be honest with yourself. Everybody is busy but at the same time people easily spend 3-5 hours on their phone, which used to be TV. Most people do have time. So be honest with yourself and look at that weekly usage report.

It's OK if it looks bad, it looks bad for most of us. I'm just saying to acknowledge uncomfortable facts.

Whether you have the energy to use that time differently is another matter. I can share that it will become ever harder as you age. It's a typical tech/knowledge work problem. Pay is good but the price is high.

I have friends having many different professions and their skill set is largely stable over time. The idea that one must make daily effort in their free time to learn new things and do side projects is ludicrous to them.

That's the nature of tech. Complain all you want but it's not going away. So stop complaining and be pragmatic. Don't learn random things, make a short list of things that count. That are marketable and in demand. Next, cut each topic up into tiny tasks. Make it achievable.

Do your React "hello world" on day 1. Spend a few minutes on it in the evening and then reward yourself by going back to your Netflix. Read one deep article. Solve one bug. Do tiny stuff and do it all the time. Keep the train moving. The only thing that matters is that it's moving, don't worry about how much it moves on any given day.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by whoiscroberts »

It helps me to set a goal that when I have learned the new skill I can then pursue. Right now I’m working my way though one of those 8 hour YouTube golang tutorials, after which I’m going to launch a blockchain into the Cosmos ecosystem. CosmosSDK is written in golang.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by skinner927 »

yurishimo wrote: post #168
TeMPOraL wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I envy those who can wake up on schedule. In my natural state, I wake up randomly between 09:00 to 12:00; the only way I can wake up earlier, or at specific time, is if someone else forces me out of bed, and makes sure I don't fall back asleep within the next 15 minutes. I've been like this for as long as I remember. So even without kids and their adjustable schedules (ready to get up as early as 04:00, but waiting f…

I want to say thank you for sharing your experience. As someone who also feels forced to function due to outside pressure, it's interesting to hear others talk about their experiences. One thing I've naively assumed, is that having kids will awaken some instinctual facet of my psyche to respond to the stimuli inherit in having young children. Maybe that is still _likely_ true, but your experience was that nothing abo…

I can relate whole heartedly to this. Children can change how you think about time, but they can’t change your biological clock. My sweet spot for waking up is 9:30am to 11:30am and I do my best work from 9pm to 2am. That bio clock doesn’t work with children. Stimulants might be your only salvation.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by TeMPOraL »

yurishimo wrote: post #168
TeMPOraL wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I envy those who can wake up on schedule. In my natural state, I wake up randomly between 09:00 to 12:00; the only way I can wake up earlier, or at specific time, is if someone else forces me out of bed, and makes sure I don't fall back asleep within the next 15 minutes. I've been like this for as long as I remember. So even without kids and their adjustable schedules (ready to get up as early as 04:00, but waiting f…

I want to say thank you for sharing your experience. As someone who also feels forced to function due to outside pressure, it's interesting to hear others talk about their experiences. One thing I've naively assumed, is that having kids will awaken some instinctual facet of my psyche to respond to the stimuli inherit in having young children. Maybe that is still _likely_ true, but your experience was that nothing abo…

> Maybe that is still _likely_ true, but your experience was that nothing about your internal clock fundamentally changed?

Nope. The only thing that changed is that my 報復性熬夜 (revenge bedtime procrastination) went into overdrive and I'm nearly incapable of going to sleep before midnight now. Which is probably the reverse of what you're hoping for.

> One thing that has changed since I was a kid, is that I can fall asleep in just a few minutes if I make a conscious effort.

For me, it's a bit of a wash. I no longer get stuck in the loop of getting stressed over how little sleep time I have left, preventing me from falling asleep - a constant in high school. But how fast I fall asleep now depends on how tired and relaxed I am. Since latter hardly happens, it's mostly a function of sleep deprivation - i.e. I can fall asleep in minutes, provided I'm systematically undersleeping. Otherwise, it's a coin toss. Cooling down the bedroom helps - recent heat waves made falling asleep hard for me until I made the connection and started firing up A/C at night.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by TeMPOraL »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #126
avocabros wrote: post #19

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WFH is one solution, but it's not free in terms of collaboration costs. There's a reason no one thinks college is better remote, for example. Sure, it's fine for some jobs but it's not super obvious that it's a net positive for output. People can also live closer to work, or use other methods (biking, running, etc.) to combine exercise + commute. Many studies have indicate that people overestimate the happiness of a…

>There's a reason no one thinks college is better remote, for example. You're still young and developing in your college years. By the time you're in the workforce at >21 years, you are already socialized and more fit to handle remote collaboration.

Fair warning: all those connections you've made are very easy to lose within first few years after entering the workforce, and it's very hard to make new ones once you're a working adult.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by badpun »

unshavedyak wrote: post #170
badpun wrote: post #159

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I'm arguing that school's difficult level is set up for children to manage on their own just fine. Also, managing on their own means learning grit, figuring out what to do when you're stuck, learning how to find information etc. If a parent is hand-holding their child through their school experience, they may be taking away a chance to develop these skills in their kid.

Agreed, but who else can make that judgement? Certainly you can't accurately make blanket decisions for all children, right? Who is the last in line, the final judgement, then? No one is saying parents should hand-hold and hurt their children by way of robbing them of essential experiences. What i am saying, though, is that parents are the last-mile. The only ones who are ultimately responsible. It sounds like you're…

I am not advocating for any style of learning, I was merely responding to someone who said that it's constant help by parents is "more or less necessary in schools with large classes". I provided a counterpoint to that, citing myself as an example, and also giving the fact that most of the other children were like me (children helped by their parents were an exception), and we turned out perfectly fine.
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