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Re: If you're interested in eye-tracking, I'm interested in funding you

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Post by anymouse123456 »

lostdog wrote: post #157

I would love to hear pg's analysis of the business case for this company. By my math, 5k people in the US are diagnosed per year, and if your keyboard costs $1k, then your ARR is $5m, and maybe the company valuation is $50m. Numerically, this is pretty far from the goal of a typical YC company. I hate to be so cold-hearted about the calculations, but I've had a few friends get really passionate about assistive tech,…

Also post-covid, it's incredibly difficult to convince a domestic CM to assemble a couple hundred devices per year.

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Post by anymouse123456 »

sokoloff wrote: post #164
lostdog wrote: post #157

I would love to hear pg's analysis of the business case for this company. By my math, 5k people in the US are diagnosed per year, and if your keyboard costs $1k, then your ARR is $5m, and maybe the company valuation is $50m. Numerically, this is pretty far from the goal of a typical YC company. I hate to be so cold-hearted about the calculations, but I've had a few friends get really passionate about assistive tech,…

I have absolutely no idea of the state of play of eye-based input devices, but I wouldn't expect an entire eye-input keyboard system to be anywhere near as cheap as $1K, but rather a figure 20-100x that.

They're currently in the $1,000-$3,000 range.

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Post by jimduk »

justinlloyd wrote: post #97

I do hardware. I do software. I do computer vision. I built some software that ran on a cellphone used by LEO (law enforcement officers) to determine if the person they are quizzing is inebriated or impaired through controlled substances by examining the person's eyes and having them focus on images displayed on the phone screen. I've done eye tracking using fully custom solutions and also through a few of the off-th…

I've got ALS (MND). Completely agree UX is the problem, gazing at a keyboard on a screen designed to stop multiple keys clogging (QWERTY) feels wrong. Some ideas

- gesture based eye movements, maybe two sweeps on a nine by nine grid, which map directly to phonemes

- enormous 4k 75inch tv with thousands of words or ideograms or phrases

- "writing" with your eyes then doing line to text AI to clean up

- standardish keyboard with massive LLM prediction and clean UX for autocomplete/throwaway with branching options

Ideas are cheap so no clue if these work. Also Tobi split between cheap good non-hackable gaming eyetracking and medical products doesn't help. Finally, with ALS you want to communicate about different things and are more tired.

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Post by epi3 »

yyyk wrote: post #162
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Imagine instead using it in a classroom to ensure the kids pay attention. Imagine being a parent and being ok with this? The real "moneymakers" in eye-tracking have always been and will continue to be Defense applications for better or worse.

>>Imagine instead using it in a classroom to ensure the kids pay attention. >Imagine being a parent and being ok with this? I'm sure there are many tiger-style parents which would be perfectly ok, nay, thrilled!, with this. --- I didn't describe a utopian scenario. More like a dystopian one. The Defense applications do exist, but I expect the advertisers to dominate as they usually do.

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Post by epi3 »

LegitShady wrote: post #100
gnicholas wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And second how would that help someone with ALS? They won't share information on where you look, but they will share info on where you 'click', which is used to navigate apps. IIRC you are supposed to use your fingers to do this, and other actions, but I imagine that Apple's accessibility team will have an alternate mode for people with motor limitations. It could be a long-blink, or rapid blinking, for example.

Even the large headset is a no go for als sufferers.

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Post by ErneX »

blackguardx wrote: post #28

I worked on eye tracking hardware for Microsoft HoloLens. Several AR headsets offer decent eye tracking, including Hololens 2 and Magic Leap's ML2. I think Tobii's eye tracking glasses are probably better as a stand-alone solution though: https://www.tobii.com/products/eye-trackers/wearables/tobii-...

PS VR2 uses Tobii's tech to do eye tracking, it is mostly being used for foveated rendering but some games also use it for gameplay, one for example allows you to shoot at enemies with your gaze.

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Post by musesum »

lostdog wrote: post #157

I would love to hear pg's analysis of the business case for this company. By my math, 5k people in the US are diagnosed per year, and if your keyboard costs $1k, then your ARR is $5m, and maybe the company valuation is $50m. Numerically, this is pretty far from the goal of a typical YC company. I hate to be so cold-hearted about the calculations, but I've had a few friends get really passionate about assistive tech,…

ALS is a configuration. Blindness is a configuration. Conventional UIs are built for a different configuration. Accesible UI usually overloads the conventional. If you start from scatch, sometimes you find something new. If you're lucky, the new thing scales to other configurations.

For example, I wrote a NLP parser for a calendar app, at Tempo.AI. It was much more efficient than the visual interface. And thus, it was accessible. But, it didn't use the accessible idiom. Instead, it was universally more efficient, whether you are blind or not.

A good example is a wheelchair accessible doorway. One method is to have a button at wheelchair height. The other method is to have the door open with an electronic eye. The first is Accessible. The second is Universal. Doesn't matter if you are in a wheelchair or not. It's a throughput multiplier.

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Post by MasterYoda »

sam_goody wrote: post #163

So, guy who has deployed eye-scanning machines all over Africa and has found that many of them have been hacked and are giving incorrect responses suddenly has a friend with ALS and is willing to fund better quality eye tracking? Either: - Part of the whole world-coin thing was privately trying to get the data to help his friend - He doesn't want to say "looking to develop eye tracking tech for my world-coin scam", s…

What company is it that?

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Post by Firmwarrior »

maccard wrote: post #153

Huh. I wrote a paper for my undergraduate dissertation on eye tracking using a laptop camera, and it ended up published and I won a scholarship award (for €150, imagine that). I wonder if it's time to dust off that project

Yeah dude, if you can figure out a good eye tracking UX you could be a billionaire
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