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ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Not even deleted! Actively stolen. No one has yet grappled with the reality that especially in the realm of generative art, these models do not work without a basis of absolutely stressful amounts of stolen artwork to train them. They simply do. Not. Exist. Without that baseline unethical contribution that tons of artists made without their knowledge and certainly without their consent. None of the major figures behi…

Oh please. First of all, how do you steal an idea? We’re talking about pictures. Supposing that you buy into the theory that you can, copyright was created to further the arts and sciences; it’s in the US constitution. The point isn’t to control your work — it’s to live in a richer society. And it’s not even clear that training a model counts as infringement. Being able to recite a quote from a book is different than…

> Oh please. First of all, how do you steal an idea?

You toss this out as though "Intellectual Property" is this concept you don't understand as (probably) a software developer of some sort, and beyond that, an entire divison of law, to which most companies have entire floors if not entire buildings of lawyers to deal with.

> We’re talking about pictures.

I'm talking about all art in all media. There is generative music, you know. And yes the big ones for now are the text, which has been trained on millions of blog posts, reddit posts, written works creative and otherwise, all, and I will keep saying it, without the permission of the authors by and large and similarly things like MidJourney which in turn were trained on massive imagesets with different specializations, but whose sources included: photographers, illustrators, painters, furries, and likely millions of people drawing in the anime style, *also without their permission.*

> If you believe that training models on art is stealing, then I’m a master ninja, since I’m the creator of books3. And even Stephen King today came out and said that he’s fine with it

I mean, you tell me. You created a thing you stand to profit from (even if indirectly via name recognition) via the use of IP you didn't have the rights to and got permission from ONE affected individual, after the fact. If you want to be ethically in the clear, why not get permission from everyone else? Then you're done. I suspect because a) it will be a substantial amount of work and b) that you know very well most people are not going to be comfortable with their creative output being used to train a machine who aren't already rich, which means a much, much smaller dataset to use.

And if it makes you feel better you can frame as all as zealotous luddites who want to smash your machine, but again, for the record, I do find this interesting. The only part I take issue with is rent-seekers trying to monetize access to them to monied entities, and what said monied entities are going to do with them: which is largely generate spam to sell at whatever price they can manage.

> If he’s not worried, why are you?

I'm not a creative, I'm not worried for me. I just don't like what's about to happen to creatives. I don't like technology being wielded by people who don't have skin in the game, who don't respect the creative process. I frankly find it incredibly offputting how ready and frankly gleeful everyone in my field is to put millions of people to pasture with no plan for how they're to make a living, especially given how hard it is to do so as an artist already.

I just cannot conceive of someone who's like "we should automate creative processes so humans have more time for spreadsheets and time cards" and just... UGH. What in god's name sort of world are we even trying to build anymore!?

> I take a dim view of people trying to frame researchers as criminals. We’re not. We want to further science. That’s all.

I'm sure Oppenheimer did too.

> You call me a grifter,

To be clear, I called users of your model grifters, not you personally.

> but I’ve made roughly a hundred bucks from books3, and that’s because someone found my patron buried under a pile of links and subscribed to it many months ago. Most of my researcher colleagues seem to have similar distaste for wanting to make money. The work is the goal.

That doesn't change the fact that what you guys are building will be used to inflict catastrophic societal harm by people who are not looking to "do the work" as you'd put it. They're looking to maximize profits because it's their contractual obligation. If they can make one designer do the work of a hundred by feeding them a drip of AI generated garbage to tweak to something usable, they will in a heartbeat *AND YOU KNOW THAT.*

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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The most depressing thing is talking to children about potential careers at the moment... My girlfriend have a couple of younger siblings, one of them loves art and draws endless – he really wants to design characters for cartoons and video games. The other loves programming and wants be a developer. I've always encouraged these passions of theirs, telling them if they work hard they can do the things they love as a…

We aren't even close to development work being automated away. Maybe art because it's often less critical. If your logo looks a bit goofy because it's AI-generated it doesn't matter. If your production server crashes because of a problem in your AI-generated code, it does.

> Maybe art because it's often less critical.

Congratulations, you just got fired from Apple.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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I'm fed up of the line: AI is a tool and is not going to replace artists any time soon. Take a look at the VFX industry; it's starting to crumble. I'll wager within five-ten years, ML Generated Art will be churning out content of that an experienced artist is capable of. In seconds, compared to months, years it takes for an artist. And once we master the formula of emotion, it's game over. Stream AI/ML a real-life dr…

> I wager $50 five-ten years, that we'll be churning out content that an experienced artist is capable of. I wager $50 that 'artists' will still exist and that this becomes a tool for those artists if they just accept it. We all have phones that can make great photos, yet I still paid for someone to photograph my wedding, because they are much, much better than anyone with a phone. Just understanding all the knobs of…

I did edit my post, but case still stands.

> Just understanding all the knobs of generative AI takes a lot of time.

We have more technological people in the field who can understand the knobs faster than we've ever had before. ML now has the ability to figure it's own knobs.

Who knew about Linux in 1994, compared to now? Then: not a lot, now? Half the internet.

Steam engines, very mechanical. Back then to drive a train, you needed to be trained, work with the conductor, driver. Now? A train driver operates a lever. Now AI are replacing those jobs for driver-less trains. Our local subway is exercising the idea.

ML, AI? Just search github and you'll find dime-a-dozen projects created from young-adults. It's only going to take a generation to burst this thing wide open.

I'm a 34 SysAdmin, it's past my time to jump in on the bandwagon. Not much I can do apart from feeding the servers that churn the cog.

> Yet I still paid for someone to photograph my wedding, because they are much, much better than anyone with a phone.

If you didn't have to pay and had some AI, ML do it for you producing the same results, would you?

The role of an artist will be replaced, they will co-exist. But the skill of actually producing the image will turn in to menial work; where for what their talent was once worth, skill learnt will suffer to be.

Anyone can type a "A fairy-elf of a dystopian world with a abandoned castle fighting off a horde of bionic-flies". All you would need is an artist to brush up on the artwork to make it feel more "human".

Maybe for the initial design, but once done. Why would you pay the artist, when you've already got the concept image required to be trained upon?

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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I'm almost hoping for some enshittification. It's so depressing seeing how many skills and jobs have been instantly devalued. Take a look at the artist communities and it's total depression that peoples life passion and source of income has just been deleted over the course of a few months. We aren't talking about burger flipping and checkout scanners. This is a creative pursuit which takes years of grinding to becom…

The most depressing thing is talking to children about potential careers at the moment... My girlfriend have a couple of younger siblings, one of them loves art and draws endless – he really wants to design characters for cartoons and video games. The other loves programming and wants be a developer. I've always encouraged these passions of theirs, telling them if they work hard they can do the things they love as a…

Work does not guarantee the right to a good life. Rather, it is political power. Nobody is saying 'AI will automate landlords out of a job', because everybody knows that's nonsensical. Being a landlord is primarily a right to extract value guaranteed by political power. It is not primarily a job. If you have no political power, it doesn't matter how fundamental to the economy you are, you can expect to have no rights whatsoever. Slaves were the entire economy of the US South, for example. If you have political power, you can be as useless as most landlords are, and you can still expect to live well.

Trying to game the system by being useful to wherever you guess industry is going to be in ten years is stupid. Just do what you can, and devote your energies to organizing.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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I'm fed up of the line: AI is a tool and is not going to replace artists any time soon. Take a look at the VFX industry; it's starting to crumble. I'll wager within five-ten years, ML Generated Art will be churning out content of that an experienced artist is capable of. In seconds, compared to months, years it takes for an artist. And once we master the formula of emotion, it's game over. Stream AI/ML a real-life dr…

Yeah, okay, sure buddy. Let me know when AI can make a better buggy whip than an actual human being.

You think a human makes them now?

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Oh please. First of all, how do you steal an idea? We’re talking about pictures. Supposing that you buy into the theory that you can, copyright was created to further the arts and sciences; it’s in the US constitution. The point isn’t to control your work — it’s to live in a richer society. And it’s not even clear that training a model counts as infringement. Being able to recite a quote from a book is different than…

So let’s say in 10 years they have the processing power to generate full movies on demand. OpenAI trains its model on all movies from IMDB. Then I ask ChatGPT to produce a movie « like » avengers but with the faces of all my friends. And I just pay the 20$ fee (or 200$ by then) to OpenAI and watch my movie. Then I can ask to tweak some parts of the story and update the movie in real time. And this for any movie. Give…

And then obviously no-one will spend $220 million on a movie anymore because, hey, we can just use generative AI. So I guess subsequent AIs will be based on the outputs of a previous AI? Or will all movies from a certain point onwards be wholly based on a corpus of existing movies used for training? Maybe AI companies will start shooting small film segments in meatspace just for the purpose of training or providing some base input to their models?

The future is gonna be weird, yo.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Gave Bing Chat an MP3 URL and it just refused. I know I can do this with software on my PC, or maybe there's an online service where I can upload but I was hoping this would be something Bing Chat/ChatGTP would excel at. I tried first giving it the URL of the article where the MP3 was embedded, and then tried a direct link.

I'm still lost on how you reached the conclusion Bing Chat should do be able that? Does MS imply it can do that somewhere? Did you assume Whisper is from OpenAI => OpenAI is related to Microsoft => Bing Chat can transcribe MP3s? I'm really just lost on the thought process here.

People hear “ai” and think it’s a near-human that cannot merely answer to text but also see, hear and do shopping.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Not even deleted! Actively stolen. No one has yet grappled with the reality that especially in the realm of generative art, these models do not work without a basis of absolutely stressful amounts of stolen artwork to train them. They simply do. Not. Exist. Without that baseline unethical contribution that tons of artists made without their knowledge and certainly without their consent. None of the major figures behi…

How does a Human generate their ideas, styles, etc? We absorb everything we come in to contact with too.

Exactly. Preventing the use of some information for training data is like saying we can't go to the gallery or library to see what prior art looks like. Creativity is just having a higher temperature setting and selecting items that trigger a positive response. We are mimetic.

The art world itself has already asked many of these questions 60 years ago, when Warhol made Campbell's soup can art, and then people used that template to turn other brands into art.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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I'd like to have LawGPT, where it reads all laws of a certain country, and I can ask it things like, "what are my options when the neighbors tree crosses over into my property?"

> I'd like to have LawGPT I tried ChatGPT 4 for a specific TX county's laws. This was after I had spent hours doing traditional search. ChatGPT got everything correct, and even gave me some more direction.

I’m curious of methods other commenters to you are using.

I recently vectorized a PDF of material that contains a lot of complex scheduling language. It covers legal regulations as well as contractual constraints. Using langchain’s QA function I queried the vector DB. I then tested it against a sample of questions from a Facebook group on the subject. It did shockingly well.

It seems so much has to do with feeding it the right chunks of source material. When I experimented with just copy and paste small chunks on my own it rarely provided useful feedback.

I love the law idea. I just bought a house and would like to do an addition. Feeding local code and regulation for QA could be a god send in navigating this stuff for a non-expert.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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post #160

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The most depressing thing is talking to children about potential careers at the moment... My girlfriend have a couple of younger siblings, one of them loves art and draws endless – he really wants to design characters for cartoons and video games. The other loves programming and wants be a developer. I've always encouraged these passions of theirs, telling them if they work hard they can do the things they love as a…

AI is a tool and is not going to replace artists any time soon. Proper 3D art generators don't even exist yet. The ones that do are useless toys. We aren't even close to generators that can output anything even close to what a beginner 3D artist can produce. And yes - it will make sense to physically draw stuff, because it's a much better way to tell the AI what to do. You can massage prompts all day and you will sti…

> AI is a tool and is not going to replace artists any time soon.

It has for my personal projects. I used to hire freelance designers often. I see no need anymore.

> Proper 3D art generators don't even exist yet. The ones that do are useless toys. We aren't even close to generators that can output anything even close to what a beginner 3D artist can produce.

Disagree, unless you believe we weren't that close to good 2D art generators a few years ago. Maybe 3D is different, but things can move surprisingly fast.

> And yes - it will make sense to physically draw stuff, because it's a much better way to tell the AI what to do.

Is that drawing? I write music as a hobby. If you told me I could strum some chords and give a model a rough beat and it would produce music 10x better and a 10,000x faster than myself I'd just stop doing it. What's the point? It's the complexity that makes it interesting, not the output. I'm guessing the fun part of being an artist isn't creating the rough initial sketches, but the complexity of getting the exact shadings and fine details perfect. Perhaps some people view it differently though.

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