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Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by cma »

dragonwriter wrote: post #164
tarvaina wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For questions such as the difference between typhoon and hurricane, ChatGPT and Claude give accurate answers in just a couple of seconds. It’s such a different experience compared to the search engines.

Yeah, search engines give accurate answers for that question with no noticeable latency, providing a much better experience. That was the difference you meant to highlight, right?

Worst part for flow is how fast chatgpt logins expire. Ironically probably some kind of anti-botting measure or is there a better explanation?

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by jameshart »

tarvaina wrote: post #163
nicbou wrote: post #37

Ironically, articles got pointlessly long because of Google. Everyone stretches their content because long form ranks better. A few hours ago I wanted to know the difference between a typhoon and a hurricane. Here is the answer: they're the same thing, just in a different ocean. I clicked three or four articles and had to read for a few minutes to get to that answer. It's even worse with videos. It takes 10 minutes t…

For questions such as the difference between typhoon and hurricane, ChatGPT and Claude give accurate answers in just a couple of seconds. It’s such a different experience compared to the search engines.

But how do you know if they’re accurate?

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by everdrive »

andsoitis wrote: post #145
everdrive wrote: post #133

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A list of every video where my terms show up somewhere in the title or description.

Do you want it sorted in some way? If so, why might you go to page 99999999999999 and pick the last item?

I’m not searching for some huge wildcard — I’m searching for some video content which must be generated by somebody and uploaded. There are not billions of results for “cool cover of a song I like” — there are hundreds of results at most. I want those hundreds of results.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by mrguyorama »

rchaud wrote: post #67
Drakim wrote: post #48

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When I try to search up a topic on YouTube, the list of search results eventually STOP showing videos matching my criteria and instead show 10 videos in a row labeled "People also watched" that is unrelated to my search. It's one thing to get recommendations in a place where recommendations are appropriate, and the dangers of the feedback loop you are talking about. It's another thing entirely to actively push it in…

What you're describing is a common UX dark pattern. The system must never show blank space in the UI for a search result, lest it drive them into the arms of a competitor. We can thank Netflix for starting the trend of "we don't have this, but how about this other thing that we do have?"

No, youtube will cut off your search results early to show you videos it think will engage you more regardless of how many search results there actually are.

Google does not give a fuck what you think you want, because they know better than you

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by jameshart »

nicbou wrote: post #37

Ironically, articles got pointlessly long because of Google. Everyone stretches their content because long form ranks better. A few hours ago I wanted to know the difference between a typhoon and a hurricane. Here is the answer: they're the same thing, just in a different ocean. I clicked three or four articles and had to read for a few minutes to get to that answer. It's even worse with videos. It takes 10 minutes t…

Although they do look similar, there are quite significant differences between a Hurricane and a Typhoon.

A Hurricane has a ~1000hp early Rolls Royce Merlin engine and a top speed of about 350mph; a Typhoon has a 2000hp+ Napier Sabre engine and a top speed of over 400mph.

The Typhoon was actually intended to be the replacement for the Hurricane, but challenges in the high altitude interceptor role led to the Typhoon taking on a more fighter-bomber role as the war went on.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by mrguyorama »

rchaud wrote: post #71
NotGMan wrote: post #58

So if you opt in then your website won't get clicks -> no ad revenue for you since google will "steal" the clicks via their summarization. And if you opt out google will eventually just push you down.

This has already been the case for a while with "Zero-click searches". It's when you look up a trivial piece of info that can be said in one line. Google will show that sentence on the search results. You don't have to click through to the full page.

The best part is that product wasn't even that accurate, and has no qualms about showing you straight up bullshit or a lie stolen out of context from whoever did the actual research.

Google is ahead of the curve in how ready they are for LLMs!

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by gregsadetsky »

jaredchung wrote: post #161
skybrian wrote: post #151

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Interesting. I see multiple plugins. Any there any you recommend?

I use the AAAsummarize.io chatgpt plugin to summarize youtube videos. Has worked really well for me.

so many chatgpt plugins start with an "A " in their name to "rank" first in the list of all plugins. throw back to the telephone directory days :-)

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by machdiamonds »

skybrian wrote: post #20

“Summarize this YouTube video” (given a link) is what I’d like to see and Google could easily do when there’s a transcript, but they’d probably rather make people watch the video. I think Kagi might do this? Any other good solutions?

I typically run lengthy YouTube video transcripts through Anthropic Claude to get a summary. It's free and offers a 100k context window. After summarizing, you can engage in a conversation with Claude. You can ask specific questions about the covered topics or prompt it with queries such as "What were the standout points?". It's quite adept at extracting key highlights.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by brookst »

marricks wrote: post #155
brookst wrote: post #130

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I feel like this is knee-jerk over-generalization. Having Google summarize a too-long recipe (a problem they created, by the way) into just the simple ingredients and instructions is NOT "deciding your view of the world".

Ok, but people won't use it just for recipes. If it's successful and common place google will monetize it. The beginning could just be "see this related product or service." Which won't mess with the content. Perhaps that's fine. I'd argue though that any summarizing tool inherently has a bias. It must choose to ignore certain details and make decisions about what to highlight. As we understand LLM's more and the stu…

Too tinfoil for me. Bicycles are bad because someone will try to use one like a helicopter.

And humans already summarize and (mis)characterize. I just don’t see blaming a tool that is used by people as they see fit.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by brookst »

Andrex wrote: post #149
brookst wrote: post #130

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I feel like this is knee-jerk over-generalization. Having Google summarize a too-long recipe (a problem they created, by the way) into just the simple ingredients and instructions is NOT "deciding your view of the world".

Maybe Google decides certain ingredients aren't fit for public consumption and changes the recipe in their "summary." Or maybe the FDA tells Google it has to do this. On a mass scale, maybe 0.2% of people would double check the source page. The rest would be unknowingly influenced to eat "healthier" by Google. Yes, this seems unlikely. But so has much in the last 5 years. Why are we deliberately charging head-first i…

I think you’re saying that your concerns are moot because nobody would use LLMs the way you fear people will use LLMs?
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