Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco • Hacker News Board

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by gwbas1c » Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 4:31 PM UTC

grecy wrote: post #164

gwbas1c wrote: post #163

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I think you've missed my point: San Francisco is a poor choice for the earliest market of Cruise. This argument comes from my interpretation of two books: "Crossing the Chasm" and "The Innovator's Dilemma." Cruise can choose any market they want: any city, any municipality, any closed road network like a resort. I keep arguing that San Francisco is the wrong choice right now. Choosing an early market is an important…

> I think you've missed my point: San Francisco is a poor choice for the earliest market of Cruise. There are plenty of regulators and people who's entire job is to figure out if it makes sense in their city or not. Those people are in charge of making that decision for San Francisco, not you.

I think you have a very poor comprehension of the issue; and the ability to discuss opinion in an online forum.

As a city, San Francisco has a lot of citizen initiated ballot questions. (When I lived in the city they had an initiative to rename the sewage treatment plant after George W. Bush.)

I wouldn't be surprised if an upcoming ballot has an initiative to ban self-driving cars.

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by gwbas1c » Sat, Aug 19, 2023, 1:09 PM UTC

grecy wrote: post #164

gwbas1c wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you've missed my point: San Francisco is a poor choice for the earliest market of Cruise. This argument comes from my interpretation of two books: "Crossing the Chasm" and "The Innovator's Dilemma." Cruise can choose any market they want: any city, any municipality, any closed road network like a resort. I keep arguing that San Francisco is the wrong choice right now. Choosing an early market is an important…

> I think you've missed my point: San Francisco is a poor choice for the earliest market of Cruise. There are plenty of regulators and people who's entire job is to figure out if it makes sense in their city or not. Those people are in charge of making that decision for San Francisco, not you.

From yesterday:

DMV tells Cruise to reduce its driverless vehicle fleet in SF by 50%: https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/firetruck-siren-lights-o...

Proves my point that San Francisco is a horrible place to test market driverless cars.

> In a statement released Friday night, the DMV said it is investigating “recent concerning incidents” involving Cruise's vehicles in San Francisco. In addition to halving the number of vehicles in the city, the DMV called for Cruise, a subsidiary of General Motors, to have no more than 50 vehicles operating during the day and 150 vehicles driving at night until the agency's investigation is complete.

> As SFGATE previously reported at the time of the Aug. 7 meeting, which featured a slide deck on autonomous vehicle performance in the city, “In 2023, the department logged about 50 incidents involving AVs that nearly crashed into personnel, obstructed travel or blocked stations, per the presentation — and five more reports were written up over the weekend.”

> Nicholson provided a statement in response to Chiu’s move, sent to SFGATE on Thursday by the city attorney’s office. “We do not believe the industry has any incentive to remain at the table and solve their problems,” she said. “These incidents with Public Safety are not going away and are in fact increasing.”

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by smoldesu » Tue, Aug 22, 2023, 1:35 AM UTC

andrewmutz wrote: post #22

mminer237 wrote: post #17

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Uh, I know hundreds of drivers, and I've never met someone who's done this. Who are you hanging around?

https://www.google.com/search?q=humams+driving+in+to+wet+con... It happens all the time

The top 5 results of this search are driverless car examples for me...

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by forgetfreeman » Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 8:13 PM UTC

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #68

elif wrote: post #64

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The comment I replied to literally said "primal fear" I'm not framing anything... People had "primal fear" of seatbelts when they were introduced, even though the statistics, like those of AV, prove their absolute benefit in the preservation of life.

Meanwhile self driving cars get stuck in wet concrete.

Apparently they can also be captured in a ring of salt: https://laughingsquid.com/performance-artist-uses-solid-and-....

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by forgetfreeman » Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 8:15 PM UTC

Manuel_D wrote: post #66

forgetfreeman wrote: post #46

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So you're saying a handful of randos having a little spare time to catch up on Reddit during their commute is a net plus trade for putting mediocre operators on the road? That's definitely a take.

"A little spare time" is more than two hours a day for a lot of people.

That's a lot of Reddit.