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Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by chankstein38 »

mmazzarolo wrote: post #17
maaarghk wrote: post #3

i liked how the reddit popup had nothing to do with cookie consent and the second site didnt have any popups at all - author could have cherry picked a bad example but for some reason gave us this?

I mean... I just recorded a browsing experience? It's the entire experience in general that sucks imho, regardless of cookie consent popups or not.

It's also a great example as to why the web is as annoying as it is. It sounds like a lot of people here are mad because you called out the EU but realistically your video is a great example of the modern day web and it's awful.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by iamacyborg »

euroderf wrote: post #169
itronitron wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, I always click the 'do not accept/consent' or 'manage my preferences' button. There are a surprising number of sites that use dark patterns. Whoever made the initial video must be a shill for the tracking companies because they didn't click on the 'do not accept' options, otherwise people would see how pervasive and thoroughly ridiculous the trackers are.

And when you get one that has a whole series of sliders in the left position and and all lit up green or blue, and no "Reject All" button at the top or bottom, close the tab.

Or you do close them all down, and then there's another hidden tab with everything pre-selected for "legitimate interest" instead of "consent"

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by iamacyborg »

ilyt wrote: post #134
itronitron wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, I always click the 'do not accept/consent' or 'manage my preferences' button. There are a surprising number of sites that use dark patterns. Whoever made the initial video must be a shill for the tracking companies because they didn't click on the 'do not accept' options, otherwise people would see how pervasive and thoroughly ridiculous the trackers are.

I believe not having opt out be as easy as opt in is breaking that law and they could be sued

In practice, regulators are mostly not enforcing this.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by pseudalopex »

chankstein38 wrote: post #168
rsynnott wrote: post #167

Remember the horse meat scandal, when horse meat showed up unexpectedly in food in Europe? The ceo of one British supermarket chain blamed the Irish food safety authority, who’d detected the contamination due to routine DNA testing (the British FSA had at the time recently ended such testing due to Tories, iirc). His logic was more or less that the FSAI, by detecting the problem, had created the problem; if no-one ha…

It just ended up feeling like a half measure that did nothing but make the internet more tedious for something most people who know anything about the web already knew was a problem. Now it just adds this group of people who have no idea what the popup means who likely just click on the "Accept All" without having any idea what it means. If they really wanted to do something successful they should've been more strict…

Companies were fined because they had accept all without reject all. Report any violations you see.

Strictly necessary means necessary to provide the service the user requested or comply with other laws. It is stricter than your suggested no tracking standard.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by bob1029 »

orwin wrote: post #122
bob1029 wrote: post #114

We have been able to happily side-step this entire conversation in our new web properties. We literally use zero cookies (local storage, et. al.) in our latest products. The user's state is entirely managed on the server, and we pass their session identifier forward through hidden form fields or URL query parameter as appropriate. The only way this works is to go all-in on SSR-style web applications. 100% of user int…

It's a tangent, but what's your product/website?

It's B2B, heavily NDA'd, etc. We serve small US banks and credit unions. Front line of business app. CRUD/workflow stuff.

I'd do the exact same thing for any B2C web property in 2023.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by tester756 »

brookst wrote: post #42
tester756 wrote: post #7

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Yea, let's blame EU for websites spying on you If website uses cookies just for legit purposes (e.g auth, language choice), then it doesn't need to show cookie consent. Webmasters should get awarness on this or stop spying

So you’re a company with a web property. Your lawyers tell you you have two options: 1. Ensure that you’re perfectly abiding by all “legit purposes” and be prepared to update your policies and software each time those change, at the risk of huge fines. Or, 2. Just put an annoying banner up and have no risk. Which do you do? Government created this problem. Yes, it was in response to bad behavior from industry, but th…

Cookie law is how many years old? 10? 15?

For how many years they can pretend to be dumb and act like they dont know?

They just want to do shady stuff with the data, that's it.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by jacquesm »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #165
jacquesm wrote: post #31

That's what the companies make browsing the web in the EU look like nowadays. It's their decision to abuse us - and the law - and it is on them to fix it. If you check the enforcement tracker you can get an idea of what the tip of the iceberg looks like, the data that's lost/sold/leaked. Then take into account that just like with a real iceberg the bulk of the leaks and breaches goes unreported (and probably a large…

> That's what the companies make browsing the web in the EU look like nowadays. It's their decision to abuse us - and the law - and it is on them to fix it. No, it's the EU that mandated those popups - an asinine solution to the tracking problem. The EU gets the blame.

The EU does not mandate popups. The EU mandates consent to be tracked. You could simply not track and then you wouldn't need consent. Or you could do it without a popup.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by tester756 »

danudey wrote: post #86
nottorp wrote: post #56

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All they have to do is stop tracking us and only use login cookies if i log in. Simple enough. Any other cookies are not "table stakes".

Website analytics can be incredibly useful for designers and developers; giving those up would be a huge hit to a lot of companies, large and small, so it's understandable that they're not going to do so. Random example from more than a decade ago: I worked at an online retailer, and we did a nice redesign of our cart page. Looked great, much more readable, but we started losing sales. Did people hate the redesign? I…

so setup analytics without sending user's data to 3rd party

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

jacquesm wrote: post #178
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's what the companies make browsing the web in the EU look like nowadays. It's their decision to abuse us - and the law - and it is on them to fix it. No, it's the EU that mandated those popups - an asinine solution to the tracking problem. The EU gets the blame.

The EU does not mandate popups. The EU mandates consent to be tracked. You could simply not track and then you wouldn't need consent. Or you could do it without a popup.

> The EU does not mandate popups. The EU mandates consent to be tracked.

Same difference. Semantics.

> You could simply not track and then you wouldn't need consent.

Not all tracking is malicious. It's not going to disappear, hence the popups.

As I said, it's an asinine solution. It's as useless as the default browser nonsense. The EU seems to make one of these annoying blunders every decade or so, next one should be coming up.

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